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<blockquote data-quote="sh00ter" data-source="post: 3104385" data-attributes="member: 24531"><p>I've always been pro-Israel because not only the Christian thing, but they are a secular, prosperous nation in the middle of an area run by religious zealots that hate them. I respect their plight. I used to also get upset when people would say "zionist" and such. But I think that is separate from the jewish ethnicity. I believe it is an ideology/policy similar to if you said "the democrats", "the globalists", etc. Under my current understanding, anyone who subscribes and advances a certain agenda would fall under that moniker, even if they were not jewish. I too think a lot gets blamed on jews when in fact if there are conspiratorial folks that happen to be jewish, it doesn't mean that all conspiratorial folks are, nor does it mean the majority of that ethic group are involved. </p><p></p><p>I will never defend antisemitism because I definitely don't agree with it. I'm simply applying my recent understanding of this topic based on my own trying to understand why the far right seems to express negativity towards this particular group. In actuality, I discovered only the dumb people in that camp make it about ethnicity and actually the more informed ones seem to concentrate on an ideology that isn't part of the ethos or religion. So for example, John Bolton believes in putting Israel's interests ahead of the United States at all costs...he isn't an American Nationalist. If Israel (or Britain for that matter) were to do something in Syria to start a war w/ Russia, and then expect us to use up all our resources & American lives to help them even if they were morally wrong, Bolton and those that think like him would EXPECT us to do so without any thought. Anyone who questions it would be labeled an anti-Semite just like we've seen in this thread. It is a tactic of the left when applied to other topics and it is a very effective tactic to crush debate. If the guy had said he wished harm on a group or hated them, or whatever, then I'd oppose. But if he is just saying he disagrees with an ideology that doesn't put American interests first, I must at least offer up that I don't think he "meant" to be anti-Semitic.</p><p></p><p>Qaddafi, let women drive, go to college, drink, etc...Qaddafi, Assad, and Saddam are/were much more in line with tolerant American values than the people we are trying to install & support...the rebels in Syria and Lybia were all terrorists and 0bama supported them with funding & weapons...now Trump wants to be their air force...do you really still think he was being anti-semetic or was he pointing out legitimate topics of discussion?...none the less, since people (including myself) still associate that term w/ being anti-Israel, I do see why it caused a reaction. I just think it means "globalist" and really should not have much to do w/ jews. In closing I'll say that I do like netanyahu alright and I will support Israel if/when its enemies surround it for battle. But in the mean time I won't support Sunni muslim terrorists regardless of what people like Bolton and Hilary and others say is best. wake up...evolve...you can be against globalism w/out hating jews...I love anyone who shares our western values regardless who they are!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sh00ter, post: 3104385, member: 24531"] I've always been pro-Israel because not only the Christian thing, but they are a secular, prosperous nation in the middle of an area run by religious zealots that hate them. I respect their plight. I used to also get upset when people would say "zionist" and such. But I think that is separate from the jewish ethnicity. I believe it is an ideology/policy similar to if you said "the democrats", "the globalists", etc. Under my current understanding, anyone who subscribes and advances a certain agenda would fall under that moniker, even if they were not jewish. I too think a lot gets blamed on jews when in fact if there are conspiratorial folks that happen to be jewish, it doesn't mean that all conspiratorial folks are, nor does it mean the majority of that ethic group are involved. I will never defend antisemitism because I definitely don't agree with it. I'm simply applying my recent understanding of this topic based on my own trying to understand why the far right seems to express negativity towards this particular group. In actuality, I discovered only the dumb people in that camp make it about ethnicity and actually the more informed ones seem to concentrate on an ideology that isn't part of the ethos or religion. So for example, John Bolton believes in putting Israel's interests ahead of the United States at all costs...he isn't an American Nationalist. If Israel (or Britain for that matter) were to do something in Syria to start a war w/ Russia, and then expect us to use up all our resources & American lives to help them even if they were morally wrong, Bolton and those that think like him would EXPECT us to do so without any thought. Anyone who questions it would be labeled an anti-Semite just like we've seen in this thread. It is a tactic of the left when applied to other topics and it is a very effective tactic to crush debate. If the guy had said he wished harm on a group or hated them, or whatever, then I'd oppose. But if he is just saying he disagrees with an ideology that doesn't put American interests first, I must at least offer up that I don't think he "meant" to be anti-Semitic. Qaddafi, let women drive, go to college, drink, etc...Qaddafi, Assad, and Saddam are/were much more in line with tolerant American values than the people we are trying to install & support...the rebels in Syria and Lybia were all terrorists and 0bama supported them with funding & weapons...now Trump wants to be their air force...do you really still think he was being anti-semetic or was he pointing out legitimate topics of discussion?...none the less, since people (including myself) still associate that term w/ being anti-Israel, I do see why it caused a reaction. I just think it means "globalist" and really should not have much to do w/ jews. In closing I'll say that I do like netanyahu alright and I will support Israel if/when its enemies surround it for battle. But in the mean time I won't support Sunni muslim terrorists regardless of what people like Bolton and Hilary and others say is best. wake up...evolve...you can be against globalism w/out hating jews...I love anyone who shares our western values regardless who they are! [/QUOTE]
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