I would tend to agree that's also an issue just like the student discipline is, so maybe there are other issues that need addressing other than just funding and salaries that are being ignored if we want better results from our schools and kids?
I would tend to agree that's also an issue just like the student discipline is, so maybe there are other issues that need addressing other than just funding and salaries that are being ignored if we want better results from our schools and kids?
That question should answer itself. Kids aren't responsible for discipline.
Again... trying doesn't equal results.I'd agree with that, but didn't NCLB and the new system try to raise standards and bring accountability?MacFromOK said:In a word... no.
Unless we go back to the old standards ("if you don't pass, you fail" and "there's only one winner in a contest" etc. etc), students have no reason to attempt their full potential. And there will always be students that won't try very hard in any case.
It's the nature of the human race. Some try to do well and get ahead, some do not. As the old saying goes, "cream rises to the top." It will be that way until the end of time.
Just my two cents.
Sorry, I just don't have a better answer.
Absolutely. Change the schools from babysitting operations to centers for learning.
We have two family members that are teachers, neither liberal but they have to abide by the liberal ways to keep their jobs.
Both have CC and are pretty good shooters. Nobody else in their school knows they even own a gun, and they don't take them to school, so they are basically victims.
Again... trying doesn't equal results.
Sorry, I just don't have a better answer.
Agree, but we've got to do something and sadly it seems standards like you mentioned, fixing discipline, and system accountability are off the table so I have no better answers either. One thing's for sure though just throwing money and continuing as we are is no guaranty for success as some want us to believe.
Many Colorado schools still failing after years, millions of dollars
https://www.denverpost.com/2016/02/...till-failing-after-years-millions-of-dollars/
There's always going to be room for improvement. But Don't confuse test scores with learning or any comprehensive measurement of what teachers or students do.
So what do we use as a comprehensive measurement of what teachers or students do? The fact that so many encountered in stores can't make change without a register telling them or the fact that most tweens to 30yr.olds can quote the Kardashians but not the founding fathers?
And how do we judge teachers or are we now not supposed to question them or where our tax money goes and what value it returns regardless of all the negatives we see?
Interesting article from 2010...
(Not) Making the Grade
http://www.ocpathink.org/article/not-making-the-grade
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I can. I was in that sub-group mentioned above. A few things we were taught then that I do not believe we are taught now: Please, correct me if I am wrong (I'm sure some will).
- The Pledge of Allegiance
- The National Anthem
- Respect for Authority, like for Teachers, Policemen, & even adults in general ( To be addressed as: Mr. ____, Mrs. ____ ,or Miss ____).
- How to make change
- How to hide under my desk, hands on the back of my head, in case the Russians launched an atomic bomb on us. (About as useful as today's drills for an active shooter).
- How to diagram a sentence
- How to balance a checkbook
- Long and short division
- How to use the card catalog in the library
- I also learned, albeit somewhat slowly, that if I did something against the rules, like fighting, throwing spit wads, talking back, or chewing gum in class, that I could expect swift, and certain disciplinary action in the form of "swats" or "licks" to my recalcitrant butt. In my case, this seems as if it was a somewhat slower than normal learning process. I spent an awful lot of time sitting on that bench outside the principal's office, waiting for the administration of discipline, quietly thinking and wringing my clammy hands, as I lamented yet another poor choice.
I can. I was in that sub-group mentioned above. A few things we were taught then that I do not believe we are taught now: Please, correct me if I am wrong (I'm sure some will).
- The Pledge of Allegiance
- The National Anthem
- Respect for Authority, like for Teachers, Policemen, & even adults in general ( To be addressed as: Mr. ____, Mrs. ____ ,or Miss ____).
- How to make change
- How to hide under my desk, hands on the back of my head, in case the Russians launched an atomic bomb on us. (About as useful as today's drills for an active shooter).
- How to diagram a sentence
- How to balance a checkbook
- Long and short division
- How to use the card catalog in the library
- I also learned, albeit somewhat slowly, that if I did something against the rules, like fighting, throwing spit wads, talking back, or chewing gum in class, that I could expect swift, and certain disciplinary action in the form of "swats" or "licks" to my recalcitrant butt. In my case, this seems as if it was a somewhat slower than normal learning process. I spent an awful lot of time sitting on that bench outside the principal's office, waiting for the administration of discipline, quietly thinking and wringing my clammy hands, as I lamented yet another poor choice.
Hey, we must have been classmates even, I was there at the same time. Remember that guy who used to teach study hall at NWC that wore a bow tie? Mr. Beverly Houck? I made life miserable for that poor bastage...we'd cut holes in the newspaper for our eyes and watch him; yelling crap like "Bev! Hey, Bev!" when he wasn't staring directly at ya, just to piss the poor old guy off until we got caught and sent for swats as per above.
At my school we still:
Say the Pledge of Allegiance every day
Sing the national anthem before sporting events
Have a character development system. I pause many times waiting for a yes or no sir early in the school year. By now they get it.
*We don't count change back in the middle school, they may cover this in HS but I'm not sure
They diagram sentences in 6th grade
We do long division nearly every day in 6th grade
We have an electronic card catalog
Fighting will get you suspended no questions asked, chewing gum is an automatic detention, I've never had a kid throw a spit wad i my class. I do wish we could still use a paddle, but rest assured we do discipline.
