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<blockquote data-quote="MoBoost" data-source="post: 1614465" data-attributes="member: 3455"><p>Bringing it back from dead, since I somehow missed the thread (read the article though) ... and well I need to add to the kumbaya .</p><p></p><p>Overall interesting read - but I feel like I am being exposed to a presidential speech there is so much flip-flopping, and hard driven predetermined agenda.</p><p></p><p>First of all - let me say that learning about self defense from a morgue perspective is just as productive as learning about hunting from a butcher (no disrespect meant for people of medical profession).</p><p></p><p>Second - how do you tell 380, 9mm, 38 and 357 apart on the morgue table?</p><p></p><p>Third - I think he gets a merit for every time he says he loves .45</p><p></p><p>Let me comment on some of the more "interesting" stuff <em>(with my comments in parenthesis):</em></p><p></p><p>- I absolutely despise a 9mm for defensive situations ... the 125-grain .357 is marvelously effective <em><strong>(and you can tell them apart how?)</strong></em></p><p></p><p>- 9mm will do the job, but usually multiple hits are required as opposed to single hits with a .40 or .45 <em><strong>(according to independent study there is no significant difference in one-shot-stops among all calibers - 50%)</strong></em></p><p></p><p>- Skip a 9mm off the sternum (breastbone) and the fight continues; plow through the sternum with a .45 and, trust me, the fight is over. <em><strong>(different than ... Skip a .45 off the sternum (breastbone) and the fight continues; plow through the sternum with a 9mm and, trust me, the fight is over.)</strong></em></p><p></p><p>- weight of the bullet is a major factor in reaching the vital organs <em><strong>(wow, wow, wow ... how did we come up with that conclusion?)</strong></em></p><p>- Look, folks, you don't have to blow the heart into a million pieces; you've just got to hit it <em><strong>(agreed!)</strong></em></p><p></p><p>- Anyway, the kinetic energy imparted by a bullet as it enters the body depends on two things--the weight of the bullet and the velocity at which it is traveling. Of the two, velocity is more important. Doubling the velocity quadruples the kinetic energy; doubling the bullet weight only doubles it.<em><strong>(makes sense!)</strong></em></p><p></p><p>- So, do you still want to shoot that 125-grain 9mm when you could have a 230-grain .45? <em><strong>(but what about velocity? I thought it is "more important" and "quadruples" and all that ... oh man)</strong></em></p><p></p><p>And my favorite for the last: </p><p>-Of all the rounds I've seen that are 1-shot kills, it's the .45 that is the clear winner <em><strong>(well if he remembers it like that - let it be, but the real answer is 9mm, even if it was less effective, the fact that it is used 3-4 times more often drives the numbers VERY high; but admitting to that would really make the whole article pointless since we already struggle with the 357 "anomaly")</strong></em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MoBoost, post: 1614465, member: 3455"] Bringing it back from dead, since I somehow missed the thread (read the article though) ... and well I need to add to the kumbaya . Overall interesting read - but I feel like I am being exposed to a presidential speech there is so much flip-flopping, and hard driven predetermined agenda. First of all - let me say that learning about self defense from a morgue perspective is just as productive as learning about hunting from a butcher (no disrespect meant for people of medical profession). Second - how do you tell 380, 9mm, 38 and 357 apart on the morgue table? Third - I think he gets a merit for every time he says he loves .45 Let me comment on some of the more "interesting" stuff [I](with my comments in parenthesis):[/I] - I absolutely despise a 9mm for defensive situations ... the 125-grain .357 is marvelously effective [I][B](and you can tell them apart how?)[/B][/I] - 9mm will do the job, but usually multiple hits are required as opposed to single hits with a .40 or .45 [I][B](according to independent study there is no significant difference in one-shot-stops among all calibers - 50%)[/B][/I] - Skip a 9mm off the sternum (breastbone) and the fight continues; plow through the sternum with a .45 and, trust me, the fight is over. [I][B](different than ... Skip a .45 off the sternum (breastbone) and the fight continues; plow through the sternum with a 9mm and, trust me, the fight is over.)[/B][/I] - weight of the bullet is a major factor in reaching the vital organs [I][B](wow, wow, wow ... how did we come up with that conclusion?)[/B][/I] - Look, folks, you don't have to blow the heart into a million pieces; you've just got to hit it [I][B](agreed!)[/B][/I] - Anyway, the kinetic energy imparted by a bullet as it enters the body depends on two things--the weight of the bullet and the velocity at which it is traveling. Of the two, velocity is more important. Doubling the velocity quadruples the kinetic energy; doubling the bullet weight only doubles it.[I][B](makes sense!)[/B][/I] - So, do you still want to shoot that 125-grain 9mm when you could have a 230-grain .45? [I][B](but what about velocity? I thought it is "more important" and "quadruples" and all that ... oh man)[/B][/I] And my favorite for the last: -Of all the rounds I've seen that are 1-shot kills, it's the .45 that is the clear winner [I][B](well if he remembers it like that - let it be, but the real answer is 9mm, even if it was less effective, the fact that it is used 3-4 times more often drives the numbers VERY high; but admitting to that would really make the whole article pointless since we already struggle with the 357 "anomaly")[/B][/I] [/QUOTE]
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