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<blockquote data-quote="First Freedom" data-source="post: 274739" data-attributes="member: 2923"><p>Well, bottom line, I have to defer to your expertise (for the most part). And besides, it's mostly pointless to "argue" when the terms "hardware" and "software" are ill-defined, and we may not be on the same page, so likely we'd never get anywhere, conclusion-wise. </p><p></p><p>I think most everything you say is correct, and I can definitely see some value in knowing BASIC counters to boxing/MMA moves, even if it's just a basic blocking of a punch with the hands, or bobbing/ducking maneuver. But at some point, you get diminishing returns. It would take years of training to get to a level where one could top a YOUNG criminal with basic MMA training if we as victims are on average in our 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s, and so it amounts mostly to spittin into the wind. We either get some lead on CNS or a major organ or artery, quickly, or we lose the fight, and our wallets and possibly our life. So the MOST critcal thing, above all else, to know is how to get said lead in contact with said body parts, quickly and efficiently, or if using a weapon other than a gun, knowing how to utilize that to full effect, be it OC, a knife, or anything else.</p><p></p><p>I think would could all agree that we could ALL use more training time. But assuming you have training time (actually we should *make* training time), at some point past a certain level of basic moves, it's gonna serve diminishing returns to learn advanced MMA stuff, when you could instead be spending your time just:</p><p>1. Jogging/treadmill. Just basic shape/fitness to last through the first 30 seconds to 1 minute of a struggle without gasping for breath is infinitely more important than trying to learn MMA moves, and since most people are OUT of shape, their time would be vastly better spent just doing ANYTHING cardiovascular at all, not trying to learn some move which doesn't increase their VO2 in the process</p><p>2. Basic gun-handling, gun retention, and shooting prowess - IDPA type skills. I think this is a higher priority than jujitsu, boxing, or MMA. Again, since so few people have a high level of proficiency here (myself included), our precious training time is better spent on this, a weapon that makes one somewhere on the order of 10 to 100 times more powerful than the hands and legs of the most powerful MMA fighter or boxer who ever lived - provided they don't get the "drop" on you.</p><p></p><p>But overall your point is well-taken. We definitely need to do more to counter this new breed of criminal element - just last night on NatGeo channel, on a special on prisons, they mentioned a sobering thought: of all the millions we incarcerate for crimes, roughly one-half of them get released in a given year - and many of them come out far more educated about how to do crime as when they went in, and just as willing or more willing to commit crimes than when they went in. Until we as a society do a better job of rehabilitating rather that just isolating, we need to be ready to protect ourselves. And general fitness level is a woefully deficient area - we are one of the fattest states in the country - terribly out of shape, and it amounts to a crisis of health, but also in this area of defense vs. predators.</p><p></p><p>I can assure you that anything I say is well-founded in 38 years of experience living on this earth, growing up poor (in rough blue collar neighborhoods) and being in plenty of fights with my brother and others, and a solid modicum of logic, which is market others do not have cornered - not Mas Ayood or Chuck Norris or Uriah Faber or anyone else on earth. So I take great offense at your implication or suggestion that I shouldn't post due to my input not being valuable (If that's what you meant). I have been a wrestler, weightlifter, and otherwise an athlete, and know full well the benefits of fitness. I also once worked as a security guard, and was licensed and went through all the force continuum trainings offered - the basic classes anyway. I also know that when you are small, NO amount of training can allow you to beat someone twice your weight and with half again as much strength, if you have roughly the same fitness level and determination. You either have a weapon, or you lose - it's a simple as that in MANY instances. I learned that the hard way with a bigger big brother. I don't think Faber would be so cocky up against a light heavyweight - ANY light heavyweight.</p><p></p><p>OK, I'll backtrack a bit - I can see where the posting of the link to the stupid Indiana Jones thing was a bit too silly for the seriousness of the thread - I'll buy that, and if that's all you meant, then mea culpa, and forget what I posted above. But beyond that exception to what I posted, I believe I can offer my logic and experience to help others out as much as anyone. I'll try to refrain from posting links to stupid youtube videos from now on, however. <img src="/images/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":P" title="Stick Out Tongue :P" data-shortname=":P" /> <img src="/images/smilies/smile.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="First Freedom, post: 274739, member: 2923"] Well, bottom line, I have to defer to your expertise (for the most part). And besides, it's mostly pointless to "argue" when the terms "hardware" and "software" are ill-defined, and we may not be on the same page, so likely we'd never get anywhere, conclusion-wise. I think most everything you say is correct, and I can definitely see some value in knowing BASIC counters to boxing/MMA moves, even if it's just a basic blocking of a punch with the hands, or bobbing/ducking maneuver. But at some point, you get diminishing returns. It would take years of training to get to a level where one could top a YOUNG criminal with basic MMA training if we as victims are on average in our 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s, and so it amounts mostly to spittin into the wind. We either get some lead on CNS or a major organ or artery, quickly, or we lose the fight, and our wallets and possibly our life. So the MOST critcal thing, above all else, to know is how to get said lead in contact with said body parts, quickly and efficiently, or if using a weapon other than a gun, knowing how to utilize that to full effect, be it OC, a knife, or anything else. I think would could all agree that we could ALL use more training time. But assuming you have training time (actually we should *make* training time), at some point past a certain level of basic moves, it's gonna serve diminishing returns to learn advanced MMA stuff, when you could instead be spending your time just: 1. Jogging/treadmill. Just basic shape/fitness to last through the first 30 seconds to 1 minute of a struggle without gasping for breath is infinitely more important than trying to learn MMA moves, and since most people are OUT of shape, their time would be vastly better spent just doing ANYTHING cardiovascular at all, not trying to learn some move which doesn't increase their VO2 in the process 2. Basic gun-handling, gun retention, and shooting prowess - IDPA type skills. I think this is a higher priority than jujitsu, boxing, or MMA. Again, since so few people have a high level of proficiency here (myself included), our precious training time is better spent on this, a weapon that makes one somewhere on the order of 10 to 100 times more powerful than the hands and legs of the most powerful MMA fighter or boxer who ever lived - provided they don't get the "drop" on you. But overall your point is well-taken. We definitely need to do more to counter this new breed of criminal element - just last night on NatGeo channel, on a special on prisons, they mentioned a sobering thought: of all the millions we incarcerate for crimes, roughly one-half of them get released in a given year - and many of them come out far more educated about how to do crime as when they went in, and just as willing or more willing to commit crimes than when they went in. Until we as a society do a better job of rehabilitating rather that just isolating, we need to be ready to protect ourselves. And general fitness level is a woefully deficient area - we are one of the fattest states in the country - terribly out of shape, and it amounts to a crisis of health, but also in this area of defense vs. predators. I can assure you that anything I say is well-founded in 38 years of experience living on this earth, growing up poor (in rough blue collar neighborhoods) and being in plenty of fights with my brother and others, and a solid modicum of logic, which is market others do not have cornered - not Mas Ayood or Chuck Norris or Uriah Faber or anyone else on earth. So I take great offense at your implication or suggestion that I shouldn't post due to my input not being valuable (If that's what you meant). I have been a wrestler, weightlifter, and otherwise an athlete, and know full well the benefits of fitness. I also once worked as a security guard, and was licensed and went through all the force continuum trainings offered - the basic classes anyway. I also know that when you are small, NO amount of training can allow you to beat someone twice your weight and with half again as much strength, if you have roughly the same fitness level and determination. You either have a weapon, or you lose - it's a simple as that in MANY instances. I learned that the hard way with a bigger big brother. I don't think Faber would be so cocky up against a light heavyweight - ANY light heavyweight. OK, I'll backtrack a bit - I can see where the posting of the link to the stupid Indiana Jones thing was a bit too silly for the seriousness of the thread - I'll buy that, and if that's all you meant, then mea culpa, and forget what I posted above. But beyond that exception to what I posted, I believe I can offer my logic and experience to help others out as much as anyone. I'll try to refrain from posting links to stupid youtube videos from now on, however. :P :) [/QUOTE]
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