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<blockquote data-quote="Glocktogo" data-source="post: 3861393" data-attributes="member: 1132"><p>I'd LOVE to have a loaded eruption green Mach 1, but I could literally buy a premium brand or exotic with less than 10K on the odometer for less. <img src="/images/smilies/frown.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-shortname=":(" /></p><p></p><p>Ford completely lost control of their dealer network when the supply chain shortages hit. You can't get a Mach 1 even remotely close to MSRP from an Oklahoma Ford dealer. Ford also discourages their network dealers from accepting out of state orders, even though a dealer in Colorado might be willing to sell you your Ford.com ordered and financed Mach 1 for what Ford actually says it costs.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The Mach 1 is overpriced, but it's worth it for the TR6060 alone. You're stuck with the crappy MT82 if you don't. Also, the Mach 1 has all the good stuff from the GT350. It may not be worth it if you don't track the car or drive it really hard on the street, but it will beat the GT350's lap times on a lot of tracks. I'd say the Mach 1 is the best "bargain" in the S550 line, outside an EB HP.</p><p></p><p>FYI, they just opened and closed 2023 Maverick orders in 5 days. That's 5 days for the ENTIRE 2023 Maverick production run. They're quoting 2+ years to get one through the "normal" pipeline now.</p><p></p><p>Stay away from the Nissan Z unless you want the manual specifically. They just put a stop sell on the Jatco equipped 9spd auto Z's, because the Jatco 9spd has always been and continues to be garbage the way they spec it in their own cars. If you do go for a manual Z, definitely don't pay any ADM. Beyond the facelift and added HP, everything is old tech and the residual value will drop hard.</p><p></p><p>Also be aware that Toyota will immediately void their warranty on the GR Corolla if you so much as sniff a race track or autocross course. If you don't want an ND Miata, the Toyobaru twins are your best bet, but you'll probably do better and have less headache at a Subie dealer than a Toyota dealer. If you're willing, try looking for an '18+ Ecoboost HPP+HP, but only if you're willing to travel to inspect/buy. Even though there aren't a lot for sale overall, you can actually get a good deal. A new, hard loaded EB HPP+HP is almost $9K less than a loaded GT PP1 with mag ride and active exhaust. On the used market, most people don't seem to know or understand what the HPP+HP brings to the table vs. a standard EB. Their loss if they aren't willing to pay a bit more.</p><p></p><p>When I'm finally ready to get another fun ride, I'll probably wind up with either a low mile EB HPP+HP, or really roll the dice on a mid-late model, semi-low mileage exotic. If you're shopping a hard loaded GT PP1 or Mach 1, something like this with 5K on the odometer begins to look tempting! That's $7K less than the eruption green Mach 1 I spec'd on Ford.com. LOL</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-Maserati-GranTurismo-d1465?cgagid=6290225&cgcid=4687&px8324=p6&sourceContext=usedPaidSearchNoZip&ax8324=137932537&query=maserati%20granturismo%20mc%20for%20sale&matchType=e&msnKeywordId=83013215451247&msnAdId=83013387500525&networktype=o&device=t&tgtid=kwd-83013215451247:loc-190&physloc=61845&msclkid=f151937251011ed35155f07a36f9ad78&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Maserati-US-comp-en-srch-xx%20(3019)&utm_term=maserati%20granturismo%20mc%20for%20sale&utm_content=Maserati%20GranTurismo%20trim%20for%20sale-Used%20(5754036)#listing=297625375/NONE[/URL]</p><p></p><p>One other thought came up when I watched the Mecum Dallas auction week before last. They had some INSANE deals happen, even after adding buyer's premium. I was shocked at some of them. There's a Mecum in Tulsa next June, and I'm sure the Dallas auction will happen again next September. If you go to Mecum.com and set up an account, you can see what the out the door total was on every lot they sold.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Glocktogo, post: 3861393, member: 1132"] I'd LOVE to have a loaded eruption green Mach 1, but I could literally buy a premium brand or exotic with less than 10K on the odometer for less. :( Ford completely lost control of their dealer network when the supply chain shortages hit. You can't get a Mach 1 even remotely close to MSRP from an Oklahoma Ford dealer. Ford also discourages their network dealers from accepting out of state orders, even though a dealer in Colorado might be willing to sell you your Ford.com ordered and financed Mach 1 for what Ford actually says it costs. The Mach 1 is overpriced, but it's worth it for the TR6060 alone. You're stuck with the crappy MT82 if you don't. Also, the Mach 1 has all the good stuff from the GT350. It may not be worth it if you don't track the car or drive it really hard on the street, but it will beat the GT350's lap times on a lot of tracks. I'd say the Mach 1 is the best "bargain" in the S550 line, outside an EB HP. FYI, they just opened and closed 2023 Maverick orders in 5 days. That's 5 days for the ENTIRE 2023 Maverick production run. They're quoting 2+ years to get one through the "normal" pipeline now. Stay away from the Nissan Z unless you want the manual specifically. They just put a stop sell on the Jatco equipped 9spd auto Z's, because the Jatco 9spd has always been and continues to be garbage the way they spec it in their own cars. If you do go for a manual Z, definitely don't pay any ADM. Beyond the facelift and added HP, everything is old tech and the residual value will drop hard. Also be aware that Toyota will immediately void their warranty on the GR Corolla if you so much as sniff a race track or autocross course. If you don't want an ND Miata, the Toyobaru twins are your best bet, but you'll probably do better and have less headache at a Subie dealer than a Toyota dealer. If you're willing, try looking for an '18+ Ecoboost HPP+HP, but only if you're willing to travel to inspect/buy. Even though there aren't a lot for sale overall, you can actually get a good deal. A new, hard loaded EB HPP+HP is almost $9K less than a loaded GT PP1 with mag ride and active exhaust. On the used market, most people don't seem to know or understand what the HPP+HP brings to the table vs. a standard EB. Their loss if they aren't willing to pay a bit more. When I'm finally ready to get another fun ride, I'll probably wind up with either a low mile EB HPP+HP, or really roll the dice on a mid-late model, semi-low mileage exotic. If you're shopping a hard loaded GT PP1 or Mach 1, something like this with 5K on the odometer begins to look tempting! That's $7K less than the eruption green Mach 1 I spec'd on Ford.com. LOL [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-Maserati-GranTurismo-d1465?cgagid=6290225&cgcid=4687&px8324=p6&sourceContext=usedPaidSearchNoZip&ax8324=137932537&query=maserati%20granturismo%20mc%20for%20sale&matchType=e&msnKeywordId=83013215451247&msnAdId=83013387500525&networktype=o&device=t&tgtid=kwd-83013215451247:loc-190&physloc=61845&msclkid=f151937251011ed35155f07a36f9ad78&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Maserati-US-comp-en-srch-xx%20(3019)&utm_term=maserati%20granturismo%20mc%20for%20sale&utm_content=Maserati%20GranTurismo%20trim%20for%20sale-Used%20(5754036)#listing=297625375/NONE[/URL] One other thought came up when I watched the Mecum Dallas auction week before last. They had some INSANE deals happen, even after adding buyer's premium. I was shocked at some of them. There's a Mecum in Tulsa next June, and I'm sure the Dallas auction will happen again next September. If you go to Mecum.com and set up an account, you can see what the out the door total was on every lot they sold. [/QUOTE]
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