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Message: <blockquote data-quote="gerhard1" data-source="post: 2887022" data-attributes="member: 5391">One thing I notice is that the liberals use any excuse that they can to nibble away at our rights.  They acknowledge that in the last two mass shootings, and others, that no-fly lists or terror watch-lists would have nothing to prevent them, yet they use them to promote proposals which they (the liberals) admit they would not have prevented. In both San Bernardino and Orlando, the killers bought their weapons legally, passing background checks and as far as I know, neither was on either a terror watch list or a no-fly list, so to use either of these incidents as a reason to pass laws preventing people on these lists  from buying guns is akin to arguing for the banning of alcohol because someone OD'd on heroin.  It is illogical.</blockquote>