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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BadgeBunny" data-source="post: 2580575" data-attributes="member: 1242">Me, too ... Imagine that, huh? <img src="/images/smilies/tongue.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":P" title="Stick Out Tongue    :P" data-shortname=":P" /> I had a hard knock life there for a while and I had no one to blame but myself and my poor choices for it. Still, it never occurred to me to HURT one of my children to get "help" or attention ... I'm kinda thinking that she should have to suffer the same fate as her child ... only never quite enough to kill her ... just remind her every single ****ing day of her miserable life what she put that baby through ... <img src="/images/smilies/frown.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":(" title="Frown    :(" data-shortname=":(" />This is, unfortunately, a true statement. We saw it all the time in contested divorces. In fact, the attorney I worked for had every single one of his male clients keep a diary of EVERYTHING ... and I mean EVERYTHING ... receipts for any money spent of kids or mom, notes of conversations, dates and times of visitation and witnesses to any and every interaction with mom and kids no matter if things were going good or bad ...We had several dads wind up with custody because of those notebooks. I've told several guys here who have asked for advice about visitation and custody battles to keep a notebook ... YOUR notebook (that is obviously not made on the fly and documents events both good and bad) holds a LOT more sway in custody battles than the "he said/she said" battles that so often goes on. This ... It doesn't matter how hard the mom makes it on the man to keep in touch with his child, it is his responsibility to be a part of that child's life ... and I don't mean writing a check every month and calling it good.I don't even know what to say but I would be willing to bet $100 and a dinner that this happens a lot more than any of us really know.I've talked about my mother here before but you guys would not believe the lengths she went to for attention ... not for her husband or her kids but for her ... I have no doubt that she is mentally ill and we all suffered because of it. I have absolutely no doubt that the only reason she had seven children is because of the attention she got when she was pregnant. After we hit the ground she really didn't have much use for any of us except to the extent that, again, it got her attention.One of the worst beatings I ever got was when some woman in Montgomery Wards mistook me for my littlest little brother's mom (he is 12 years younger than me) and asked my mom how she liked being a grandmother ... <img src="/images/smilies/shocked.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":shocked:" title="Shocked    :shocked:" data-shortname=":shocked:" /> Somehow that was my fault ... <img src="/images/smilies/headscratch.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":scratch:" title="Headscratch    :scratch:" data-shortname=":scratch:" /> These women are as bad, in my mind, as rapists and are, for all intents and purposes, absolutely fall within the realm of some of the most dispicable people on the planet ...</blockquote>

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