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<blockquote data-quote="Billybob" data-source="post: 3153748" data-attributes="member: 1294"><p>Regardless of legal technicalities on the River Parks website it states that "River Parks was established as a public-private partnership in 1974. Tulsa County and the City of Tulsa provide the majority of funds for day-to-day River Parks operations". So it's clear tax dollars are being used which was my point.</p><p><a href="http://www.riverparks.org/about-us/" target="_blank">http://www.riverparks.org/about-us/</a></p><p></p><p>Just because maintenance and security are paid by Gathering place doesn't establish ownership which is still with River Parks. It also does not mean tax dollars are not also involved in other ways. The issue with the bridge is this, while River Parks and the gathering place have taken over the bridge and will cover routine maintenance the city(taxpayer) are still on the hook for capital improvements and repairs. No info has been given regarding who is responsible for those at the gathering place so again taxpayers may still be paying some cost just as they did to establish the park. "River Parks Authority will be responsible for routine and nonstructural maintenance of the bridge, with the city assuming financial responsibility for major capital improvements".</p><p><a href="https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/update-river-parks-authority-votes-to-take-over-pedestrian-bridge/article_116c8908-de12-5e2e-801a-a64c8b99730a.html" target="_blank">https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/update-river-parks-authority-votes-to-take-over-pedestrian-bridge/article_116c8908-de12-5e2e-801a-a64c8b99730a.html</a></p><p></p><p>The question arises that if the agreement is the same for the park as the bridge will the taxpayers be looped into paying for the planned expansion of the park as a capital improvement since it's been clearly stated this is only the first phase of the park.</p><p>"Beyond that, city and park officials are remaining open-minded as to what can develop on the park’s south side".</p><p><a href="https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/gatheringplace/riverside-drive-reopening-a-bookend-to-phase-i-of-the/article_acd27f95-1e0b-5800-9dc1-a712bbfbfbe9.html" target="_blank">https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/gatheringplace/riverside-drive-reopening-a-bookend-to-phase-i-of-the/article_acd27f95-1e0b-5800-9dc1-a712bbfbfbe9.html</a></p><p></p><p>Since funds from a TPS bond issue will be spent on part of phase two is that an indicator that other taxpayer's funds will also be put into a privately controlled public entity?</p><p></p><p>"Also part of the facility will be five classrooms incorporated into Tulsa Public Schools’ STEM Center, a $4.5 million TPS bond project.The estimated cost of building the facility and exhibits is about $35 million".</p><p><a href="https://www.tulsaworld.com/tulsaworldmagazine/feature/what-s-next-the-children-s-museum-will-anchor-the/article_697c96cb-f5bd-57bc-a440-c9c9aa74733e.html" target="_blank">https://www.tulsaworld.com/tulsaworldmagazine/feature/what-s-next-the-children-s-museum-will-anchor-the/article_697c96cb-f5bd-57bc-a440-c9c9aa74733e.html</a></p><p></p><p>The main point of this remains that public funds are being used where the voters in 2007 said they didn't want them spent to establish a place under the control of a private corp. that can prohibit a legal right.</p><p></p><p>But regardless of all the discussion it appears the whole thing is moot because the legislature has now made law saying rights can be prohibited in such circumstances.</p><p><a href="http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2017-18%20ENR/SB/SB288%20ENR.PDF" target="_blank">http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2017-18 ENR/SB/SB288 ENR.PDF</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Billybob, post: 3153748, member: 1294"] Regardless of legal technicalities on the River Parks website it states that "River Parks was established as a public-private partnership in 1974. Tulsa County and the City of Tulsa provide the majority of funds for day-to-day River Parks operations". So it's clear tax dollars are being used which was my point. [URL]http://www.riverparks.org/about-us/[/URL] Just because maintenance and security are paid by Gathering place doesn't establish ownership which is still with River Parks. It also does not mean tax dollars are not also involved in other ways. The issue with the bridge is this, while River Parks and the gathering place have taken over the bridge and will cover routine maintenance the city(taxpayer) are still on the hook for capital improvements and repairs. No info has been given regarding who is responsible for those at the gathering place so again taxpayers may still be paying some cost just as they did to establish the park. "River Parks Authority will be responsible for routine and nonstructural maintenance of the bridge, with the city assuming financial responsibility for major capital improvements". [URL]https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/update-river-parks-authority-votes-to-take-over-pedestrian-bridge/article_116c8908-de12-5e2e-801a-a64c8b99730a.html[/URL] The question arises that if the agreement is the same for the park as the bridge will the taxpayers be looped into paying for the planned expansion of the park as a capital improvement since it's been clearly stated this is only the first phase of the park. "Beyond that, city and park officials are remaining open-minded as to what can develop on the park’s south side". [URL]https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/gatheringplace/riverside-drive-reopening-a-bookend-to-phase-i-of-the/article_acd27f95-1e0b-5800-9dc1-a712bbfbfbe9.html[/URL] Since funds from a TPS bond issue will be spent on part of phase two is that an indicator that other taxpayer's funds will also be put into a privately controlled public entity? "Also part of the facility will be five classrooms incorporated into Tulsa Public Schools’ STEM Center, a $4.5 million TPS bond project.The estimated cost of building the facility and exhibits is about $35 million". [URL]https://www.tulsaworld.com/tulsaworldmagazine/feature/what-s-next-the-children-s-museum-will-anchor-the/article_697c96cb-f5bd-57bc-a440-c9c9aa74733e.html[/URL] The main point of this remains that public funds are being used where the voters in 2007 said they didn't want them spent to establish a place under the control of a private corp. that can prohibit a legal right. But regardless of all the discussion it appears the whole thing is moot because the legislature has now made law saying rights can be prohibited in such circumstances. [URL]http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2017-18%20ENR/SB/SB288%20ENR.PDF[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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