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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dennishoddy" data-source="post: 2822159" data-attributes="member: 5412">You have to have an alternative to Medicare to prove your statement. People pay into it all their lives. If its not a right, why do we not have a decision to pay or not pay into it? Since we don't, it becomes a defacto right in a loose sort of way. Truly handicapped people have no alternative, Able bodied folks that become disabled legitimately, and folks that worked in jobs that had no insurance should be written off?The people that worked in jobs with no insurance still paid into medicare. Your still working. You might want to look into health care costs now as if you weren't working with obamacare. Just call one of the exchanges and see what it would cost you today. We have.  Then consider the 2016 upcoming raise in costs. Folks on SS alone would not be able to afford medical care without medicare. I have looked into it. A person with the max SS benefit would only have a few dollars a year left over to live/eat on. So again, what is your proposal to do away with medicare?I'm going out a little further here. The fraud in Medicare is pretty rampant. Why so? One reason is that its fairly easy to defraud the government. Some businesses  do it, medical or not. Most don't, but the government sure makes it easy to go down that path.Get more people into making sure medicare is properly administered, and paid for.  A lot of medical doctors won't take in medicare patients because the government won't pay enough to sustain their practice. I have first hand experience with a family member to back that up. So how would you dissolve our health care system as it exists to make it into a more "European" example. BTW, a lot of rich Europeans come to the US for medical care.</blockquote>

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