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<blockquote data-quote="YukonGlocker" data-source="post: 3043428" data-attributes="member: 425">You&#039;re assuming the proposed &quot;Medicare-for-all&quot; plans would run exactly like Medicare currently runs, and the administrative/bloated-middle-man-insurance costs would remain, which are blatantly false assumptions.&nbsp; I posted the details in previous threads, backed up with evidence, and you ignored it there as well.&nbsp; Strike 1.And you continue to assume that the proposed &quot;Medicare-for-all&quot; plans would operate like the current VA does, which is laughably incorrect.&nbsp; This point has been addressed in prior threads as well, with evidence that details why it&#039;s such a ridiculous strawman, yet you continue the with the &quot;but the VA...but the VA&quot; tirade despite the fact that the proposed plans would be nothing like it.&nbsp; If you&#039;re building a strawman with the VA (which is all you&#039;re doing), then either (a) you&#039;re being totally disingenuous, or (b) know nothing about the proposed plans.&nbsp; Given that those details have been posted before, and you commented on them before, I&#039;m going with (a).&nbsp; Strike 2.Universal heathcare in most industrialized countries has both (a) less cost in total, including taxes and all costs to individuals, and (b) better health outcomes for the entire society.&nbsp; Mountains of evidence to robustly support (a) and (b) have been posted across multiple threads here.&nbsp; If you intend to be effective in convincing anyone that we should stick with privatized health-care, you&#039;ll have to refute those points with evidence.&nbsp; Strike 3.Thanks for playing, sport.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="YukonGlocker, post: 3043428, member: 425"] You're assuming the proposed "Medicare-for-all" plans would run exactly like Medicare currently runs, and the administrative/bloated-middle-man-insurance costs would remain, which are blatantly false assumptions. I posted the details in previous threads, backed up with evidence, and you ignored it there as well. Strike 1. And you continue to assume that the proposed "Medicare-for-all" plans would operate like the current VA does, which is laughably incorrect. This point has been addressed in prior threads as well, with evidence that details why it's such a ridiculous strawman, yet you continue the with the "but the VA...but the VA" tirade despite the fact that the proposed plans would be nothing like it. If you're building a strawman with the VA (which is all you're doing), then either (a) you're being totally disingenuous, or (b) know nothing about the proposed plans. Given that those details have been posted before, and you commented on them before, I'm going with (a). Strike 2. Universal heathcare in most industrialized countries has both (a) less cost in total, including taxes and all costs to individuals, and (b) better health outcomes for the entire society. Mountains of evidence to robustly support (a) and (b) have been posted across multiple threads here. If you intend to be effective in convincing anyone that we should stick with privatized health-care, you'll have to refute those points with evidence. Strike 3. Thanks for playing, sport. [/QUOTE]

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