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<blockquote data-quote="JD8" data-source="post: 3043440" data-attributes="member: 24">O Canada...<a href="https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2010/02/03/danny_millions_williams_heads_south_for_heart_surgery.html" target="_blank">https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2010/02/03/danny_millions_williams_heads_south_for_heart_surgery.html</a>More wait time woes....<a href="https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-08-03/canadians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care" target="_blank">https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-08-03/canadians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care</a>Easy BIG guy.....let&#039;s backup the strawman you&#039;ve got going yourself.1.&nbsp; I&#039;m well aware &quot;Medicare for all&quot; wouldn&#039;t run exactly like Medicare lol.... fundamentally they are significantly different.&nbsp; However, the entity executing it will remain the same.&nbsp; You posted coulda, shoulda, woulda models which in fact can&#039;t account for the variables in the real world.&nbsp; Especially, concerning the U.S. government and it&#039;s populous.&nbsp; Again, in the learned and accredited world, your evidence wouldn&#039;t cut it.&nbsp; Just because it fits your narrative doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s &quot;evidence.&quot;&nbsp; 2.&nbsp; What you fail to understand, and I&#039;m not sure why, is that the entity executing healthcare in the VA is the problem.&nbsp; I know you want to ignore this, because it blows your whole theory out of the water.&nbsp; You cannot provide that the U.S. government will provide more efficient healthcare than the private sector (given the chains are off) and the VA is an example.&nbsp; Simply clicking your heels and stating it will be different doesn&#039;t make the .gov&#039;s incompetency go away.&nbsp; What I&#039;m providing is that the U.S. has a LONG history of not being able to execute programs as efficiently as the private sector.&nbsp;&nbsp; 3.&nbsp; Why did you leave out innovation?&nbsp; Doesn&#039;t fit the outcome and cost narrative?&nbsp; <a href="https://www.quora.com/What-countries-have-lead-the-world-in-medical-research-and-innovation-in-the-past-20-years" target="_blank">https://www.quora.com/What-countries-have-lead-the-world-in-medical-research-and-innovation-in-the-past-20-years</a>How much does the rest of the world benefit from our drugs we developed?&nbsp; Our procedures? medical devices? etc.&nbsp; &nbsp; I wonder how well other industrialized nations would be doing if we didn&#039;t cure polio? Measles? Who is at the forefront of cancer research?&nbsp; Who else benefits from that?&nbsp; I&#039;d hate for you think outside the box when you&#039;re looking for a handout but the reality is that we publish more papers, develop more procedures and drugs than anyone.&nbsp; Ya think that factors in the costs of their healthcare?&nbsp; (Don&#039;t answer that... it&#039;s rhetorical)&nbsp; Don&#039;t thank me for playing, it&#039;s my pleasure exposing OSA SJWs.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JD8, post: 3043440, member: 24"] O Canada... [URL]https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2010/02/03/danny_millions_williams_heads_south_for_heart_surgery.html[/URL] More wait time woes.... [URL]https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-08-03/canadians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care[/URL] Easy BIG guy.....let's backup the strawman you've got going yourself. 1. I'm well aware "Medicare for all" wouldn't run exactly like Medicare lol.... fundamentally they are significantly different. However, the entity executing it will remain the same. You posted coulda, shoulda, woulda models which in fact can't account for the variables in the real world. Especially, concerning the U.S. government and it's populous. Again, in the learned and accredited world, your evidence wouldn't cut it. Just because it fits your narrative doesn't mean it's "evidence." 2. What you fail to understand, and I'm not sure why, is that the entity executing healthcare in the VA is the problem. I know you want to ignore this, because it blows your whole theory out of the water. You cannot provide that the U.S. government will provide more efficient healthcare than the private sector (given the chains are off) and the VA is an example. Simply clicking your heels and stating it will be different doesn't make the .gov's incompetency go away. What I'm providing is that the U.S. has a LONG history of not being able to execute programs as efficiently as the private sector. 3. Why did you leave out innovation? Doesn't fit the outcome and cost narrative? [URL]https://www.quora.com/What-countries-have-lead-the-world-in-medical-research-and-innovation-in-the-past-20-years[/URL] How much does the rest of the world benefit from our drugs we developed? Our procedures? medical devices? etc. I wonder how well other industrialized nations would be doing if we didn't cure polio? Measles? Who is at the forefront of cancer research? Who else benefits from that? I'd hate for you think outside the box when you're looking for a handout but the reality is that we publish more papers, develop more procedures and drugs than anyone. Ya think that factors in the costs of their healthcare? (Don't answer that... it's rhetorical) Don't thank me for playing, it's my pleasure exposing OSA SJWs. [/QUOTE]

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