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<blockquote data-quote="YukonGlocker" data-source="post: 3043555" data-attributes="member: 425">It would be ridiculous to think the US has innovated in health-care, and everyone else hasn&#039;t...because that wouldn&#039;t be true.&nbsp; That&#039;s why it&#039;s a non-starter.I&#039;m quite comfortable with my day job...love it actually.&nbsp; OSA isn&#039;t the place I go to do more &quot;work&quot; (i.e., solving problems in the real-world, engaging in scholarship, doing science, etc.).&nbsp; It&#039;s the place I go to relax and enjoy some friendly conversation outside of work.&nbsp; You&#039;d be gravely mistaken if you think my casual nature on OSA represents what I do at work.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Go ahead and show us the claims/promises I made about Obamacare (hint: there aren&#039;t any).&nbsp; I don&#039;t who you&#039;re referring to, but don&#039;t include me in groups I&#039;ve never been in.The cherry-picking goes both ways...for example, you ignoring the socialized programs in the US that work really well, ones that we&#039;re indeed world-leaders in...these do provide some background that our government can handle socialized programs in some cases.All that being said, I don&#039;t think our disagreement is one about evidence.&nbsp; And I do respect and appreciate your perspective on the issue.&nbsp; It seems that the govt. has proven to you that it can&#039;t handle health-care and will only fawk it up worse...a perspective that I can relate to and appreciate.&nbsp; From my perspective, it seems the private-sector has proven that it can&#039;t handle health-care and will only fawk it up worse...and I&#039;m past the point of continuing on in this way, and ready to give universal health-care a go because it&#039;s the only system, thus far, that has proven to be a viable alternative (and this is why it isn&#039;t &quot;i want the govt. to take care of me&quot;...at all).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="YukonGlocker, post: 3043555, member: 425"] It would be ridiculous to think the US has innovated in health-care, and everyone else hasn't...because that wouldn't be true. That's why it's a non-starter. I'm quite comfortable with my day job...love it actually. OSA isn't the place I go to do more "work" (i.e., solving problems in the real-world, engaging in scholarship, doing science, etc.). It's the place I go to relax and enjoy some friendly conversation outside of work. You'd be gravely mistaken if you think my casual nature on OSA represents what I do at work. Go ahead and show us the claims/promises I made about Obamacare (hint: there aren't any). I don't who you're referring to, but don't include me in groups I've never been in. The cherry-picking goes both ways...for example, you ignoring the socialized programs in the US that work really well, ones that we're indeed world-leaders in...these do provide some background that our government can handle socialized programs in some cases. All that being said, I don't think our disagreement is one about evidence. And I do respect and appreciate your perspective on the issue. It seems that the govt. has proven to you that it can't handle health-care and will only fawk it up worse...a perspective that I can relate to and appreciate. From my perspective, it seems the private-sector has proven that it can't handle health-care and will only fawk it up worse...and I'm past the point of continuing on in this way, and ready to give universal health-care a go because it's the only system, thus far, that has proven to be a viable alternative (and this is why it isn't "i want the govt. to take care of me"...at all). [/QUOTE]

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