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<blockquote data-quote="justanotherpatriot" data-source="post: 1827313" data-attributes="member: 24587"><p>Pretty fair assessment. Just a year or so back they resurfaced from 244 south to the BA? and put the control joint dowels in. Before they were finished with both sides they were cutting out and patching sections on the side that was supposedly finished.</p><p>To be fair to ODOT it has to be difficult dealing with the clay soils that we have in OK, as well as the political appointee in charge of the system who usually knows nothing about construction. Thus the substandard engineering to cope with the clay problem and the substandard aggregate that ends up in the finished product (because of kickbacks, lack of oversite and awarding jobs to the lowest bidder--WalMart syndrome)</p><p>In Oregon (from whence I hail) they redid a road about 20 yrs ago and when we visited 3 yr ago it was just like it was new! Probably had another 30 yrs smooth life.</p><p>Difference between there and here? They start with at least a couple feet of pit run shale/gravel (fist sized +) followed by 1 1/2" minus and then the asphalt. </p><p> Each lift is min 4" lifts for a total of at least 2 lifts (I have seen 6" lifts) Also the problem with the bridges that I have seen is the rebar ends up way too close to the face of the concrete. The concrete wicks moisture to the rebar, which rusts, freezes during the winter and the swelling water causes the concrete to spawl. Another lack of oversight in the inspection phase.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="justanotherpatriot, post: 1827313, member: 24587"] Pretty fair assessment. Just a year or so back they resurfaced from 244 south to the BA? and put the control joint dowels in. Before they were finished with both sides they were cutting out and patching sections on the side that was supposedly finished. To be fair to ODOT it has to be difficult dealing with the clay soils that we have in OK, as well as the political appointee in charge of the system who usually knows nothing about construction. Thus the substandard engineering to cope with the clay problem and the substandard aggregate that ends up in the finished product (because of kickbacks, lack of oversite and awarding jobs to the lowest bidder--WalMart syndrome) In Oregon (from whence I hail) they redid a road about 20 yrs ago and when we visited 3 yr ago it was just like it was new! Probably had another 30 yrs smooth life. Difference between there and here? They start with at least a couple feet of pit run shale/gravel (fist sized +) followed by 1 1/2" minus and then the asphalt. Each lift is min 4" lifts for a total of at least 2 lifts (I have seen 6" lifts) Also the problem with the bridges that I have seen is the rebar ends up way too close to the face of the concrete. The concrete wicks moisture to the rebar, which rusts, freezes during the winter and the swelling water causes the concrete to spawl. Another lack of oversight in the inspection phase. [/QUOTE]
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