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<blockquote data-quote="sh00ter" data-source="post: 2086588" data-attributes="member: 24531"><p>What i "think" we have going on here is a Libertarian person quoting a Liberal person (who most likely had it out for religion)...First let me say that most mainstream religious people that i know have a similar outlook to mainstream Libertarians...that is, freedom is good as long as you are not hurting other people...and then a dash of, "you gotta draw the line somewhere"...so say, abortion (especially when the baby is killed OUTSIDE the womb <a href="http://www.bornalivetruth.org/index.php" target="_blank">http://www.bornalivetruth.org/index.php</a> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNbp2-Tm9z4" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNbp2-Tm9z4</a> like 0bummer and liberals like to see happen), is looked down upon because it hurts an innocent person...likewise, animal sex is illegal because a decent society simply can't allow such things or it will cease to exist in a generation or two...otherwise, most mainstream religious people I know are not trying to control people in a way that CS Lewis describes as many atheists like to do, that is describe a big bad theocratic boogy man and often fear passive Christians while kissing the butts of fundamentalist muslims...</p><p></p><p>So in response to your well-intended quote that is masked in such a way perhaps that some who might speak out in support may not pick up on its true meaning, I'd like to submit a few counter quotes:</p><p></p><p>"Human rights can only be assured among a virtuous people. The general government . . . can never be in danger of degenerating into a monarchy, an oligarchy, an aristocracy, or any despotic or oppressive form so long as there is any virtue in the body of the people."</p><p>George Washington</p><p></p><p>"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."</p><p>Benjamin Franklin</p><p></p><p>"Laws without morals are in vain."</p><p>Benjamin Franklin</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sh00ter, post: 2086588, member: 24531"] What i "think" we have going on here is a Libertarian person quoting a Liberal person (who most likely had it out for religion)...First let me say that most mainstream religious people that i know have a similar outlook to mainstream Libertarians...that is, freedom is good as long as you are not hurting other people...and then a dash of, "you gotta draw the line somewhere"...so say, abortion (especially when the baby is killed OUTSIDE the womb [url]http://www.bornalivetruth.org/index.php[/url] [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNbp2-Tm9z4[/url] like 0bummer and liberals like to see happen), is looked down upon because it hurts an innocent person...likewise, animal sex is illegal because a decent society simply can't allow such things or it will cease to exist in a generation or two...otherwise, most mainstream religious people I know are not trying to control people in a way that CS Lewis describes as many atheists like to do, that is describe a big bad theocratic boogy man and often fear passive Christians while kissing the butts of fundamentalist muslims... So in response to your well-intended quote that is masked in such a way perhaps that some who might speak out in support may not pick up on its true meaning, I'd like to submit a few counter quotes: "Human rights can only be assured among a virtuous people. The general government . . . can never be in danger of degenerating into a monarchy, an oligarchy, an aristocracy, or any despotic or oppressive form so long as there is any virtue in the body of the people." George Washington "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." Benjamin Franklin "Laws without morals are in vain." Benjamin Franklin [/QUOTE]
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