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<blockquote data-quote="cmhbob" data-source="post: 1983509" data-attributes="member: 20220"><p>My primary experience with a union was as a non-union admin person in a union food service warehouse. They authorized the union about 3 weeks after I got hired. I was originally a warehouse clerk, pushing papers for the drivers.</p><p></p><p>I know that when the first one-year contract was up, the union walked in demanding several things, including an across-the-board raise. I forget exactly how much they were asking, but they got it, without management even blinking or making a counter-offer. Because mgt was prepared to offer a higher raise, but the union was in a crappy mood, and demanding this and demanding that. They walked in with an attitude of "We're going to show them how strong we are," and got screwed because of it.</p><p></p><p>A few months after that, I got promoted to an inventory control position. I was responsible for making sure we had the right amount of product <em>in the right locations</em>. We had a replenishing crew that would grab product from any old place and expect the admin people to fix the numbers in the computer. Occasionally they did it because the computer was having them make stupid moves, or they were short on time. Most of the time, it was because they were lazy. I got permission from my supervisor to start physically correcting some of these error, meaning I grabbed a lift truck and started moving stuff. The union's response was to file a grievance because I was "taking work away from union workers." Really? Work that you guys are not willing to do? They lost the grievance, and I lost what little respect I have for unions.</p><p></p><p>I was a cop for a while too, at a "small private Midwestern college." Prior to my boss getting legislation passed, colleges like my employer had to do all sorts of gymnastics to have law enforcement capability on campus. My boss drafted legislation that allowed private colleges to establish police departments. Before the FOP would support it, he had to write in that any experience officers gained at a private college PD could not be applied towards police experience when dealing with pensions and retirement. They also would not allow us to join the FOP as full members, only associate. i passed the exact same course as many officers in that state, and they said, "That's not good enough." Screw 'em.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cmhbob, post: 1983509, member: 20220"] My primary experience with a union was as a non-union admin person in a union food service warehouse. They authorized the union about 3 weeks after I got hired. I was originally a warehouse clerk, pushing papers for the drivers. I know that when the first one-year contract was up, the union walked in demanding several things, including an across-the-board raise. I forget exactly how much they were asking, but they got it, without management even blinking or making a counter-offer. Because mgt was prepared to offer a higher raise, but the union was in a crappy mood, and demanding this and demanding that. They walked in with an attitude of "We're going to show them how strong we are," and got screwed because of it. A few months after that, I got promoted to an inventory control position. I was responsible for making sure we had the right amount of product [I]in the right locations[/I]. We had a replenishing crew that would grab product from any old place and expect the admin people to fix the numbers in the computer. Occasionally they did it because the computer was having them make stupid moves, or they were short on time. Most of the time, it was because they were lazy. I got permission from my supervisor to start physically correcting some of these error, meaning I grabbed a lift truck and started moving stuff. The union's response was to file a grievance because I was "taking work away from union workers." Really? Work that you guys are not willing to do? They lost the grievance, and I lost what little respect I have for unions. I was a cop for a while too, at a "small private Midwestern college." Prior to my boss getting legislation passed, colleges like my employer had to do all sorts of gymnastics to have law enforcement capability on campus. My boss drafted legislation that allowed private colleges to establish police departments. Before the FOP would support it, he had to write in that any experience officers gained at a private college PD could not be applied towards police experience when dealing with pensions and retirement. They also would not allow us to join the FOP as full members, only associate. i passed the exact same course as many officers in that state, and they said, "That's not good enough." Screw 'em. [/QUOTE]
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