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Message: <blockquote data-quote="vvvvvvv" data-source="post: 1350326" data-attributes="member: 5151">I don't see what libertarianism has to do with it. I haven't invoked that in any of my posts in this thread.With the exception of doctors, lawyers, and very few other professions, I would say that someone who ran up $50K in student loans was stupid when they went to school. I feel the same about the people who go into law school planning on working in public service and rack up $100K+ at a top-tier law school.Kids can still learn the basics of a skill trade by the time they graduate high school, but they have to be willing to go against what the school system is telling them which is that only jobs that purport to require a 4-year degree are respectable. Really, for a kid to get into a skilled trade they have to be willing to learn it on their own time. The schools, including vo-techs, only teach what is required to meet the standards. The exception at the vo-techs is when a particular student demonstrates an exceptional interest in something rather than just participating in a program because its easy, or because that aptitude test said they should, or because someone told them they need it to get a job.One reason that I quit school is that I don't see where it benefits me. Sure, you can start out at a job four years later making more than you would have started at now, but I've seen many people making more with that four years of experience, and they don't have the student loans to pay off. Obviously, it doesn't apply to every profession, but in many professions that piece of paper only matters when you are looking for that first job.(Another reason was dealing with professors who were the epitome of "Those who can't do, teach." I tell friends who really want a degree, and are actually book-smart to boot, not to correct a professor, especially in class. Nothing good comes from it.And yet another reason is that I learn on my own quite well and feel held back in an organized learning setting.)Personally, if I were to be looking to hire someone, there are two things I'd want to see on a resume: above par performance in food service and retail.I know its anecdotal, but there is a common trait among people I went to high school with that went on to get a 4-year degree and now complain about not being able to find a job: they have many other personal reasons that preclude them from getting hired.I don't care if I offend anyone with this post. I thought it through, and brushed my teeth while deciding if I should submit it or not. Then I re-read it to make sure.</blockquote>

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