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<blockquote data-quote="THAT Gurl" data-source="post: 3943970" data-attributes="member: 45551"><p>Not LEO but worked for lawyers longer than I care to admit ... About half of that time (8-10 years) was in criminal law, much of which was cases arguing illegal search on the side of the highway ...</p><p></p><p>Based on the facts as I understand them, in Oklahoma County, yes, at the time of my career, the judge would likely have approved the application for a warrant.</p><p></p><p>In other counties, especially rural or southeastern (Bubbaland), where communities are smaller and everyone knows everybody (very high school-ish) it kinda depends on the social connections and integrity of the people involved. By "people involved" I mean EVERYBODY -- the "kid" pulled over, the cops actually involved in the stop, those officers' supervisor, the dad of the "kid", and the judge, and even possibly the judge's baliff and/or secretary -- maybe, maybe not.</p><p></p><p>To pretend the size of the community and possible social connections will not affect the process in an less sparsely populated county or city is naive. So maybe, maybe not. But unless you are the town millionaire living in a $1.5M mansion on the hill, who gets out and shakes hands a couple times a week, that warrant is probably gonna get signed.</p><p></p><p>Actually, even in large populations like OKC and Tulsa, if things can be kept on the down/low, then social standing and personal connections will affect the decision-making process for authorities involved then, too, though their options may be more limited if they don't want to risk public wrath -- especially during an election year.</p><p></p><p>And then, still there is a whole segment of the population who appear to be completely bulletproof -- Hunter Biden ring a bell??</p><p></p><p>So ... That is THIS keyboard lawyer's interpretation of whether or not a warrant would have been signed in your kid's situation. Bottom line is ... It depends. That's the GREAT thing about the law. Lawyers LOVE to muddy the water.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="THAT Gurl, post: 3943970, member: 45551"] Not LEO but worked for lawyers longer than I care to admit ... About half of that time (8-10 years) was in criminal law, much of which was cases arguing illegal search on the side of the highway ... Based on the facts as I understand them, in Oklahoma County, yes, at the time of my career, the judge would likely have approved the application for a warrant. In other counties, especially rural or southeastern (Bubbaland), where communities are smaller and everyone knows everybody (very high school-ish) it kinda depends on the social connections and integrity of the people involved. By "people involved" I mean EVERYBODY -- the "kid" pulled over, the cops actually involved in the stop, those officers' supervisor, the dad of the "kid", and the judge, and even possibly the judge's baliff and/or secretary -- maybe, maybe not. To pretend the size of the community and possible social connections will not affect the process in an less sparsely populated county or city is naive. So maybe, maybe not. But unless you are the town millionaire living in a $1.5M mansion on the hill, who gets out and shakes hands a couple times a week, that warrant is probably gonna get signed. Actually, even in large populations like OKC and Tulsa, if things can be kept on the down/low, then social standing and personal connections will affect the decision-making process for authorities involved then, too, though their options may be more limited if they don't want to risk public wrath -- especially during an election year. And then, still there is a whole segment of the population who appear to be completely bulletproof -- Hunter Biden ring a bell?? So ... That is THIS keyboard lawyer's interpretation of whether or not a warrant would have been signed in your kid's situation. Bottom line is ... It depends. That's the GREAT thing about the law. Lawyers LOVE to muddy the water. [/QUOTE]
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