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<blockquote data-quote="OK Corgi Rancher" data-source="post: 3945374" data-attributes="member: 45773">I&#039;m not justifying the actions of the officers in either incident.&nbsp; But, you&#039;re moving the goalposts here.&nbsp; This is how you initially started this:Both of these incidents are far more complicated than simple, passive resisting.&nbsp; Both involve men who were armed or reported to be armed.&nbsp; Shaver was drunk and stupid and reached for his waist and, like it or not, the officer was acquitted.&nbsp; I would&#039;ve handled that call differently but I wasn&#039;t there.&nbsp; The other guy, also reportedly armed, who had a history of violence, also should&#039;ve complied rather than ducking back towards the house.&nbsp; The simple fact of the matter is, when the police are there due to your bad behavior, it&#039;s probably not a good idea to resist or fail to comply when they&#039;re yelling at you and pointing guns at you.&nbsp; Even if you think you&#039;re right and they&#039;re wrong.&nbsp; You&#039;ll have your chance to air your side of the story and your grievances at a later time.Maybe you should watch some of the thousands of videos of &quot;average&quot; people shooting cops without provocation...or ambushing them.&nbsp; None of these things occur in a vacuum.You should pay more attention to what people say because I&#039;ve already given insight into why I&#039;m no longer a cop in one of my earlier posts in this thread.&nbsp; I&#039;m not gonna justify bad behavior by cops.&nbsp; But I&#039;ll not rationalize it for anyone else, either.&nbsp; And I still maintain you can&#039;t possibly justify what you said in your first post that I quoted above.&nbsp; I&#039;ll concede it may happen or, at a minimum, cops sometimes unjustly shoot people.&nbsp; But to say the average cop will shoot you for refusing a search of your car or even non-violent resisting is ridiculous and can&#039;t be defended.&nbsp; It just can&#039;t.&nbsp; Do the math on how many people resist the average cop in this country on a given day...gotta be in the hundreds, if not thousands.&nbsp; Some resist with real violence.&nbsp; The number of shootings by police every day would be in the hundreds, or even thousands.&nbsp; It just doesn&#039;t happen.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="OK Corgi Rancher, post: 3945374, member: 45773"] I'm not justifying the actions of the officers in either incident. But, you're moving the goalposts here. This is how you initially started this: Both of these incidents are far more complicated than simple, passive resisting. Both involve men who were armed or reported to be armed. Shaver was drunk and stupid and reached for his waist and, like it or not, the officer was acquitted. I would've handled that call differently but I wasn't there. The other guy, also reportedly armed, who had a history of violence, also should've complied rather than ducking back towards the house. The simple fact of the matter is, when the police are there due to your bad behavior, it's probably not a good idea to resist or fail to comply when they're yelling at you and pointing guns at you. Even if you think you're right and they're wrong. You'll have your chance to air your side of the story and your grievances at a later time. Maybe you should watch some of the thousands of videos of "average" people shooting cops without provocation...or ambushing them. None of these things occur in a vacuum. You should pay more attention to what people say because I've already given insight into why I'm no longer a cop in one of my earlier posts in this thread. I'm not gonna justify bad behavior by cops. But I'll not rationalize it for anyone else, either. And I still maintain you can't possibly justify what you said in your first post that I quoted above. I'll concede it may happen or, at a minimum, cops sometimes unjustly shoot people. But to say the average cop will shoot you for refusing a search of your car or even non-violent resisting is ridiculous and can't be defended. It just can't. Do the math on how many people resist the average cop in this country on a given day...gotta be in the hundreds, if not thousands. Some resist with real violence. The number of shootings by police every day would be in the hundreds, or even thousands. It just doesn't happen. [/QUOTE]

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