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<blockquote data-quote="Glocktogo" data-source="post: 3945690" data-attributes="member: 1132"><p>You seem overtly defensive in this thread overall, and particularly on the Shaver case. I'm judging your position by YOUR words. You've studiously avoided assigning any blame to the officer who murdered Shaver, or the Sgt. who was clearly incompetent and unqualified to be scene commander. Why is that? I can only assess by your words, <strong>and your explicit omissions</strong>, coupled with your reliance on the court decision, that you find no constitutional wrongdoing by them.</p><p></p><p>I'm not doing any gymnastics whatsoever. I'm simply examining your words and making a reasonable assessment of them. You don't have to like my assessment of your words, but that in no way invalidates my assessment. I believe I DO understand your words quite well, and I'm not the only one who's going to feel that way.</p><p></p><p>As for the jury that acquitted Brailsford, I regard their decision with the same level of respect as I regard the SCOTUS panel decision on Dred Scott. A huge number of American citizens agree with me. I don't know if the jurors were stupid, failed to follow court instruction, were denied evidence in the proceedings or if the prosecution was incompetent. All I know is they 100% without any reasonable doubt whatsoever, got the verdict wrong.</p><p></p><p>I've also been unfailingly consistent in that we do NOT have a "justice" system. We have a legal system and the distinction is vitally important. You're again free to disagree with me, but that would in no way invalidate my assessment.</p><p></p><p>Nothing you've posted has convinced me in any way that you hold Brailsford or his Sgt. culpable in Shaver's <strong>unjust</strong> death. You're free to state it for the record, but I don't think you will. Feel free to prove me wrong.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Glocktogo, post: 3945690, member: 1132"] You seem overtly defensive in this thread overall, and particularly on the Shaver case. I'm judging your position by YOUR words. You've studiously avoided assigning any blame to the officer who murdered Shaver, or the Sgt. who was clearly incompetent and unqualified to be scene commander. Why is that? I can only assess by your words, [B]and your explicit omissions[/B], coupled with your reliance on the court decision, that you find no constitutional wrongdoing by them. I'm not doing any gymnastics whatsoever. I'm simply examining your words and making a reasonable assessment of them. You don't have to like my assessment of your words, but that in no way invalidates my assessment. I believe I DO understand your words quite well, and I'm not the only one who's going to feel that way. As for the jury that acquitted Brailsford, I regard their decision with the same level of respect as I regard the SCOTUS panel decision on Dred Scott. A huge number of American citizens agree with me. I don't know if the jurors were stupid, failed to follow court instruction, were denied evidence in the proceedings or if the prosecution was incompetent. All I know is they 100% without any reasonable doubt whatsoever, got the verdict wrong. I've also been unfailingly consistent in that we do NOT have a "justice" system. We have a legal system and the distinction is vitally important. You're again free to disagree with me, but that would in no way invalidate my assessment. Nothing you've posted has convinced me in any way that you hold Brailsford or his Sgt. culpable in Shaver's [B]unjust[/B] death. You're free to state it for the record, but I don't think you will. Feel free to prove me wrong. [/QUOTE]
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