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<blockquote data-quote="ef9turbo" data-source="post: 3957442" data-attributes="member: 790"><p>I read maybe 30 pages of this. You keep asking for PC. PC for the stop was a third brake light, which is more common than you would ever think. If you’re that concerned and feel he was targeted, be like any smart lawyer and ask for an open records request of how many times that deputy conducted a traffic stop for a third brake like; I bet it’ll be a crap ton. Searching for a car that matches that of another, which committed a crime would not require PC, just reasonable suspicion. RS is only lawful until something is disproven and with what transpired, I would bet it was just another traffic stop. </p><p></p><p>You asked for PC to search the car. Free air sniff does not require anything to conduct and if the dog alerted on it, that’s PC to conduct a search. Every free air sniff that alerts, the handler will do a report on. </p><p></p><p>There’s no requirement to write paper for anything, it’s officers discretion. The stop happened, from what you admitted there was a third brake light out, lawfully. The search conducted, from an alert from a certified k9 (which you can get training docs and certs about) was a positive alert. That’s PC to get into that car. Your son being cuffed and detained is also legal as any lawyer will tell you. Can a search be done without cuffing someone? Sure, but again, up to the officer. No civil rights committed, solely based off what you said. </p><p></p><p>You pointed out the amount of deputies there. I would assume that he was traveling somewhere near Hwy 412/167, which is heavily worked by OHP and RCSO for traffic reasons. That would explain the amount of deputies there. Some counties will have 1-2 working the whole county, Rogers county will have anywhere from 5-7 working on shift. Tulsa county probably has 10-15 (I know it’s a different county). The point being is it’s not Washington county or other counties that have a low staffed shift. </p><p></p><p>I’m with others and will say that there are always bad cops, but based on the things you said, coming from both sides of civi(and in a not so pleasant way) and LE, nothing you explained seemed out of the ordinary, nothing unconstitutional or whatever else is claimed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ef9turbo, post: 3957442, member: 790"] I read maybe 30 pages of this. You keep asking for PC. PC for the stop was a third brake light, which is more common than you would ever think. If you’re that concerned and feel he was targeted, be like any smart lawyer and ask for an open records request of how many times that deputy conducted a traffic stop for a third brake like; I bet it’ll be a crap ton. Searching for a car that matches that of another, which committed a crime would not require PC, just reasonable suspicion. RS is only lawful until something is disproven and with what transpired, I would bet it was just another traffic stop. You asked for PC to search the car. Free air sniff does not require anything to conduct and if the dog alerted on it, that’s PC to conduct a search. Every free air sniff that alerts, the handler will do a report on. There’s no requirement to write paper for anything, it’s officers discretion. The stop happened, from what you admitted there was a third brake light out, lawfully. The search conducted, from an alert from a certified k9 (which you can get training docs and certs about) was a positive alert. That’s PC to get into that car. Your son being cuffed and detained is also legal as any lawyer will tell you. Can a search be done without cuffing someone? Sure, but again, up to the officer. No civil rights committed, solely based off what you said. You pointed out the amount of deputies there. I would assume that he was traveling somewhere near Hwy 412/167, which is heavily worked by OHP and RCSO for traffic reasons. That would explain the amount of deputies there. Some counties will have 1-2 working the whole county, Rogers county will have anywhere from 5-7 working on shift. Tulsa county probably has 10-15 (I know it’s a different county). The point being is it’s not Washington county or other counties that have a low staffed shift. I’m with others and will say that there are always bad cops, but based on the things you said, coming from both sides of civi(and in a not so pleasant way) and LE, nothing you explained seemed out of the ordinary, nothing unconstitutional or whatever else is claimed. [/QUOTE]
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