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<blockquote data-quote="JRSherman" data-source="post: 1359071" data-attributes="member: 13432"><p>To amplify this statement, this is a news article from today. I understand that the Person of Interest has a bad background, but it's also not the first time something like this has happened, and it won't be the last I'm sure.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101112/ap_on_re_us/us_wildlife_officer_slain" target="_blank">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101112/ap_on_re_us/us_wildlife_officer_slain</a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't think this is a fair assumption. </p><p></p><p>For starters, if you have the kind of money that allows you to pay 1-2mil on property, screw your wanting to get it back out of your average hunter, even if he does live in the city. If you have that much, yet can't pay the land taxes, I'll be happily entrenched at the court house watching the auction when you lose it due to financial irresponsibility. </p><p></p><p>This kind of logic is what is screwing Table Rock Lake up in MO. Everyone wanted a lake side house, so they built them in the '60's and '70s. Now the property assessment is ridiculous due to the fact that it's got a view, even though the septic drains right into the lake and most of it is on child-unfriendly steep slopes or bluffs. The property taxes become ridiculously high, and now there is a government assistance option for people that "can't afford" to pay their property tax.</p><p></p><p>FWIW, I also don't really complain about how taxation on property works anyway. For the 86 acres that I own, I paid $41.25 this year. My land is absolutely worthless. Solid rock, grown up with cedar trees, the occasional oaks, and a few remaining sycamores in the creek bottom, all out of sheer damn stubbornness. The creek, that my Grandpa caught fish in when he was a kid, doesn't run because the landowner South of me owns the spring that used to feed it, and has a nice 30' deep pond about 100yds long. x 75yds wide which shut off the spring flow. There might be a few spots with 4-5 inches of soil, but they're few and far between(on 86 acres mind you). If I poured a concrete pad, the average property improvement tax add for that is +$500 though. . .</p><p></p><p> $31.78 of that $41.25 went to the school district, 77% of my taxes. I don't know how it figures on everyone else's, especially anyone with <strong>good</strong> property, but if it's the same as mine I don't know why any school district could be hurting. Of the other $9 and change, only .29 goes to the state. That's 0.7% of my tax money going to politicians and state debt/expenditures. I just can't find anything to complain about there. The rest is Library, Health Department, Handicapped, Senior Citizens Services Fund, my local Road District, the Hospital, the Ambulance, and the Fire Department. I'll survive if it doesn't get to those places. I have no choice in the matter anyway.</p><p></p><p></p><p>So, that all being said, and useless to your argument, I still wouldn't have any problem letting anyone that wanted to try and hunt on it do so. For free no less. I guess that's just the kind of non-capitalist a-hole I am, that I would dare say my expenditures are my fault and my responsibility, and I won't place them on others heads. Especially when it's for something that gets people off their butts and into the outdoors. </p><p></p><p>Really I'd just like for the Missouri Conservation Department to keep issuing 9+ tickets per person until they figure out they're in the hole on deer. Especially since they changed the law to where I can't buy an in-state tag even though I'm a landowner, and now it's $275 for me <img src="/images/smilies/new/explode.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":explode:" title="Explode :explode:" data-shortname=":explode:" />.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JRSherman, post: 1359071, member: 13432"] To amplify this statement, this is a news article from today. I understand that the Person of Interest has a bad background, but it's also not the first time something like this has happened, and it won't be the last I'm sure. [URL="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101112/ap_on_re_us/us_wildlife_officer_slain"]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101112/ap_on_re_us/us_wildlife_officer_slain[/URL] I don't think this is a fair assumption. For starters, if you have the kind of money that allows you to pay 1-2mil on property, screw your wanting to get it back out of your average hunter, even if he does live in the city. If you have that much, yet can't pay the land taxes, I'll be happily entrenched at the court house watching the auction when you lose it due to financial irresponsibility. This kind of logic is what is screwing Table Rock Lake up in MO. Everyone wanted a lake side house, so they built them in the '60's and '70s. Now the property assessment is ridiculous due to the fact that it's got a view, even though the septic drains right into the lake and most of it is on child-unfriendly steep slopes or bluffs. The property taxes become ridiculously high, and now there is a government assistance option for people that "can't afford" to pay their property tax. FWIW, I also don't really complain about how taxation on property works anyway. For the 86 acres that I own, I paid $41.25 this year. My land is absolutely worthless. Solid rock, grown up with cedar trees, the occasional oaks, and a few remaining sycamores in the creek bottom, all out of sheer damn stubbornness. The creek, that my Grandpa caught fish in when he was a kid, doesn't run because the landowner South of me owns the spring that used to feed it, and has a nice 30' deep pond about 100yds long. x 75yds wide which shut off the spring flow. There might be a few spots with 4-5 inches of soil, but they're few and far between(on 86 acres mind you). If I poured a concrete pad, the average property improvement tax add for that is +$500 though. . . $31.78 of that $41.25 went to the school district, 77% of my taxes. I don't know how it figures on everyone else's, especially anyone with [B]good[/B] property, but if it's the same as mine I don't know why any school district could be hurting. Of the other $9 and change, only .29 goes to the state. That's 0.7% of my tax money going to politicians and state debt/expenditures. I just can't find anything to complain about there. The rest is Library, Health Department, Handicapped, Senior Citizens Services Fund, my local Road District, the Hospital, the Ambulance, and the Fire Department. I'll survive if it doesn't get to those places. I have no choice in the matter anyway. So, that all being said, and useless to your argument, I still wouldn't have any problem letting anyone that wanted to try and hunt on it do so. For free no less. I guess that's just the kind of non-capitalist a-hole I am, that I would dare say my expenditures are my fault and my responsibility, and I won't place them on others heads. Especially when it's for something that gets people off their butts and into the outdoors. Really I'd just like for the Missouri Conservation Department to keep issuing 9+ tickets per person until they figure out they're in the hole on deer. Especially since they changed the law to where I can't buy an in-state tag even though I'm a landowner, and now it's $275 for me :explode:. [/QUOTE]
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