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What is the right balance between Rehabilitation/Reformation vs Stopping Violent Predatory Criminals from Reoffending?
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<blockquote data-quote="joegrizzy" data-source="post: 3886695" data-attributes="member: 45524"><p>we have absolutely no idea an accurate crime rate.</p><p></p><p>what the FBI gives us that everyone recites are based on arrest records alone. obviously, if there's no *arrest* for a crime.....does that mean there was no crime?</p><p></p><p>yes, according the only stats you EVER hear on national crime. especially by race. we also know that many major cities have just completely stopped reporting altogether, a supposedly very recent phenomenon.</p><p> </p><p>but, if you look at the areas that have the higher rates of violent crime, are you able to cross reference that with arrest for violent crimes?</p><p></p><p>yes!</p><p></p><p>and if you do, you realize *the most violent parts of america are also the least policed*. In Chicago, the arrest rate for GUN MURDER is 17%.</p><p></p><p>that's right, if you go to chicago and shoot someone *right now*, there is already an 83% chance you just get away with it.</p><p></p><p>for non-fatal shootings? 5%. 5% of all non-fatal shootings ever lead to an arrest. this is because police are a *reactionary* force and by design RARELY STOP OR PREVENT CRIME and as they exist in big cities are nothing more than a state sanctioned force to prevent *certain kinds* of societal upheavals. (ie, protected wall street during occupy but let your business on 4th street okc get it's windows broken out and trashed and the same for literally every city in america).</p><p></p><p>this is *even less* for things like random attacks, muggings, assaults, being thrown onto the train tracks, etc etc.</p><p></p><p>now, *from the crime stats we DO have*, of those 17% of gun murders in chicago that DO lead to an arrest, we know that over 60% of them are black.</p><p></p><p>what most people *don't* realize is, you have a ratio here that is one sided. you have MORE UNSOLVED CRIMES than you do SOLVED CRIMES and you have a MINORITY population that is committing the MAJORITY of them.</p><p></p><p>this means, that for *every unsolved crime, there is *even more chance* that the perpetrator was black*. as only 17% of murders have data that indicates race, and that data suggests the majority of murders are committed by black men aged 13-40, then you must realize there is *even more than that rate % chance of the remaining unsolved crimes also being black*.</p><p></p><p>so it's not 60%. it's far, far more. it's likely it's 75% or more. if you've got ***83%*** of your data set left over, and you've already observed a trend THAT noticeable thru 17% of it, it's not going to regress, *that trend will only continue to get more standard deviations from the bell curve*.</p><p></p><p>it's just as likely, in fact, MORE likely that the remaining unsolved crimes have *more* of a black discrepancy than less. this would lead to the murder rate being far higher than the proverbial 53%,55%,60%.</p><p></p><p>and this is true for literally ANY violent crime, most of them have arrest rates around 10-20% in any given city.</p><p></p><p>there was no "muh crime dip after the 70's/80's"</p><p>there was no "muh cleaned up the cities"</p><p>there was no "wuz it abortion or muh leaded gas?"</p><p>that's all just a ruse.</p><p></p><p>the reality is crime is worse than ever, the police just do nothing because by design they can't do anything about it and aren't supposed to.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="joegrizzy, post: 3886695, member: 45524"] we have absolutely no idea an accurate crime rate. what the FBI gives us that everyone recites are based on arrest records alone. obviously, if there's no *arrest* for a crime.....does that mean there was no crime? yes, according the only stats you EVER hear on national crime. especially by race. we also know that many major cities have just completely stopped reporting altogether, a supposedly very recent phenomenon. but, if you look at the areas that have the higher rates of violent crime, are you able to cross reference that with arrest for violent crimes? yes! and if you do, you realize *the most violent parts of america are also the least policed*. In Chicago, the arrest rate for GUN MURDER is 17%. that's right, if you go to chicago and shoot someone *right now*, there is already an 83% chance you just get away with it. for non-fatal shootings? 5%. 5% of all non-fatal shootings ever lead to an arrest. this is because police are a *reactionary* force and by design RARELY STOP OR PREVENT CRIME and as they exist in big cities are nothing more than a state sanctioned force to prevent *certain kinds* of societal upheavals. (ie, protected wall street during occupy but let your business on 4th street okc get it's windows broken out and trashed and the same for literally every city in america). this is *even less* for things like random attacks, muggings, assaults, being thrown onto the train tracks, etc etc. now, *from the crime stats we DO have*, of those 17% of gun murders in chicago that DO lead to an arrest, we know that over 60% of them are black. what most people *don't* realize is, you have a ratio here that is one sided. you have MORE UNSOLVED CRIMES than you do SOLVED CRIMES and you have a MINORITY population that is committing the MAJORITY of them. this means, that for *every unsolved crime, there is *even more chance* that the perpetrator was black*. as only 17% of murders have data that indicates race, and that data suggests the majority of murders are committed by black men aged 13-40, then you must realize there is *even more than that rate % chance of the remaining unsolved crimes also being black*. so it's not 60%. it's far, far more. it's likely it's 75% or more. if you've got ***83%*** of your data set left over, and you've already observed a trend THAT noticeable thru 17% of it, it's not going to regress, *that trend will only continue to get more standard deviations from the bell curve*. it's just as likely, in fact, MORE likely that the remaining unsolved crimes have *more* of a black discrepancy than less. this would lead to the murder rate being far higher than the proverbial 53%,55%,60%. and this is true for literally ANY violent crime, most of them have arrest rates around 10-20% in any given city. there was no "muh crime dip after the 70's/80's" there was no "muh cleaned up the cities" there was no "wuz it abortion or muh leaded gas?" that's all just a ruse. the reality is crime is worse than ever, the police just do nothing because by design they can't do anything about it and aren't supposed to. [/QUOTE]
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