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<blockquote data-quote="Hobbes" data-source="post: 2053711" data-attributes="member: 3371"><p>That is a common and widely spread piece of misinformation from those trying to convince you to give up your SS benefits willingly.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p style="text-align: left">If we look at life expectancy statistics from the 1930s we might come to the conclusion that the Social Security program was designed in such a way that people would work for many years paying in taxes, but would not live long enough to collect benefits. Life expectancy <em>at birth</em> in 1930 was indeed only 58 for men and 62 for women, and the retirement age was 65. But life expectancy at birth in the early decades of the 20th century was low due mainly to high infant mortality, and someone who died as a child would never have worked and paid into Social Security. A more appropriate measure is probably <em>life expectancy after attainment of adulthood</em>.</p><p> <p style="text-align: left">As Table 1 shows, the majority of Americans who made it to adulthood could expect to live to 65, and those who did live to 65 could look forward to collecting benefits for many years into the future. So we can observe that for men, for example, almost 54% of the them could expect to live to age 65 if they survived to age 21, and men who attained age 65 could expect to collect Social Security benefits for almost 13 years (and the numbers are even higher for women).</p><p> <p style="text-align: left">Also, it should be noted that there were already 7.8 million Americans age 65 or older in 1935 (cf. Table 2), so there was a large and growing population of people who could receive Social Security. Indeed, the actuarial estimates used by the Committee on Economic Security (CES) in designing the Social Security program projected that there would be 8.3 million Americans age 65 or older by 1940 (when monthly benefits started). So Social Security was not designed in such a way that few people would collect the benefits.</p><p> <p style="text-align: left">As Table 1 indicates, the average <em>life expectancy at age 65</em> (i.e., the number of years a person could be expected to receive unreduced Social Security retirement benefits) has increased a modest 5 years (on average) since 1940. So, for example, men attaining 65 in 1990 can expect to live for 15.3 years compared to 12.7 years for men attaining 65 back in 1940. </p><p> <p style="text-align: left">(Increases in life expectancy are a factor in the long-range financing of Social Security; but other factors, such as the sheer size of the "baby boom" generation, and the relative proportion of workers to beneficiaries, are larger determinants of Social Security's future financial condition.)</p> <p style="text-align: left"><a href="http://www.ssa.gov/history/lifeexpect.html" target="_blank">http://www.ssa.gov/history/lifeexpect.html</a></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <table style='width: 100%'><tr><td><strong><span style="color: white">Table 1: Life Expectancy for Social Security</span></strong></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td><strong>Year Cohort Turned 65</strong></td><td><strong>Percentage of Population Surviving from Age 21 to Age 65</strong></td><td><strong>Average Remaining Life Expectancy for Those Surviving to Age 65</strong></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td></td><td> <strong>Male</strong> </td><td> <strong>Female</strong> </td><td> <strong>Male</strong> </td><td> <strong>Female</strong> </td></tr><tr><td> 1940<br /> 1950<br /> 1960<br /> 1970<br /> 1980<br /> 1990 </td><td> 53.9<br /> 56.2<br /> 60.1<br /> 63.7<br /> 67.8<br /> 72.3 </td><td> 60.6<br /> 65.5<br /> 71.3<br /> 76.9<br /> 80.9<br /> 83.6 </td><td> 12.7<br /> 13.1<br /> 13.2<br /> 13.8<br /> 14.6<br /> 15.3 </td><td> 14.7<br /> 16.2<br /> 17.4<br /> 18.6<br /> 19.1<br /> 19.6 </td></tr></table> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <table style='width: 100%'><tr><td><strong><span style="color: white">Table 2: Americans Age 65</span></strong><span style="color: white"> <strong>or Older 1880-1990</strong></span></td><td></td></tr><tr><td> <strong>Year</strong> </td><td><strong>Number of Americans Age 65 or Older</strong></td></tr><tr><td> 1880<br /> 1890<br /> 1900<br /> 1910<br /> 1920<br /> 1930<br /> 1940<br /> 1950<br /> 1960<br /> 1970<br /> 1980<br /> 1990<br /> 2000 </td><td> 1.7 million<br /> 2.4 million<br /> 3.0 million<br /> 3.9 million<br /> 4.9 million<br /> 6.7 million<br /> 9.0 million<br /> 12.7 million<br /> 17.2 million<br /> 20.9 million<br /> 26.1 million<br /> 31.9 million<br /> 34.9 million <br /> </td></tr></table> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hobbes, post: 2053711, member: 3371"] That is a common and widely spread piece of misinformation from those trying to convince you to give up your SS benefits willingly. [LEFT]If we look at life expectancy statistics from the 1930s we might come to the conclusion that the Social Security program was designed in such a way that people would work for many years paying in taxes, but would not live long enough to collect benefits. Life expectancy [I]at birth[/I] in 1930 was indeed only 58 for men and 62 for women, and the retirement age was 65. But life expectancy at birth in the early decades of the 20th century was low due mainly to high infant mortality, and someone who died as a child would never have worked and paid into Social Security. A more appropriate measure is probably [I]life expectancy after attainment of adulthood[/I].[/LEFT] [LEFT]As Table 1 shows, the majority of Americans who made it to adulthood could expect to live to 65, and those who did live to 65 could look forward to collecting benefits for many years into the future. So we can observe that for men, for example, almost 54% of the them could expect to live to age 65 if they survived to age 21, and men who attained age 65 could expect to collect Social Security benefits for almost 13 years (and the numbers are even higher for women).[/LEFT] [LEFT]Also, it should be noted that there were already 7.8 million Americans age 65 or older in 1935 (cf. Table 2), so there was a large and growing population of people who could receive Social Security. Indeed, the actuarial estimates used by the Committee on Economic Security (CES) in designing the Social Security program projected that there would be 8.3 million Americans age 65 or older by 1940 (when monthly benefits started). So Social Security was not designed in such a way that few people would collect the benefits.[/LEFT] [LEFT]As Table 1 indicates, the average [I]life expectancy at age 65[/I] (i.e., the number of years a person could be expected to receive unreduced Social Security retirement benefits) has increased a modest 5 years (on average) since 1940. So, for example, men attaining 65 in 1990 can expect to live for 15.3 years compared to 12.7 years for men attaining 65 back in 1940. [/LEFT] [LEFT](Increases in life expectancy are a factor in the long-range financing of Social Security; but other factors, such as the sheer size of the "baby boom" generation, and the relative proportion of workers to beneficiaries, are larger determinants of Social Security's future financial condition.) [url]http://www.ssa.gov/history/lifeexpect.html[/url] [/LEFT] [TABLE="width: 75%, align: center"] [TR] [TD="class: ninetypercent, bgcolor: #003399, colspan: 5"][B][COLOR=white]Table 1: Life Expectancy for Social Security[/COLOR][/B][/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #CCCCCC"] [TD="class: ninetypercent, width: 77"][B]Year Cohort Turned 65[/B][/TD] [TD="class: ninetypercent, colspan: 2"][B]Percentage of Population Surviving from Age 21 to Age 65[/B][/TD] [TD="class: ninetypercent, colspan: 2"][B]Average Remaining Life Expectancy for Those Surviving to Age 65[/B][/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #CCCCCC"] [TD="class: ninetypercent, width: 77"][/TD] [TD="width: 105"] [B]Male[/B] [/TD] [TD="width: 101"] [B]Female[/B] [/TD] [TD="width: 110"] [B]Male[/B] [/TD] [TD="width: 117"] [B]Female[/B] [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="width: 77, bgcolor: white"] 1940 1950 1960 1970 1980 1990 [/TD] [TD="width: 105, bgcolor: white"] 53.9 56.2 60.1 63.7 67.8 72.3 [/TD] [TD="width: 101, bgcolor: white"] 60.6 65.5 71.3 76.9 80.9 83.6 [/TD] [TD="width: 110, bgcolor: white"] 12.7 13.1 13.2 13.8 14.6 15.3 [/TD] [TD="width: 117, bgcolor: white"] 14.7 16.2 17.4 18.6 19.1 19.6 [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [LEFT] [/LEFT] [TABLE="align: center"] [TR] [TD="class: ninetypercent, bgcolor: #003399, colspan: 2"][B][COLOR=white]Table 2: Americans Age 65[/COLOR][/B][COLOR=white] [B]or Older 1880-1990[/B][/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #CCCCCC"] [TD] [B]Year[/B] [/TD] [TD="class: ninetypercent, width: 270"][B]Number of Americans Age 65 or Older[/B][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: white"] 1880 1890 1900 1910 1920 1930 1940 1950 1960 1970 1980 1990 2000 [/TD] [TD="bgcolor: white"] 1.7 million 2.4 million 3.0 million 3.9 million 4.9 million 6.7 million 9.0 million 12.7 million 17.2 million 20.9 million 26.1 million 31.9 million 34.9 million [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [LEFT] [/LEFT] [/QUOTE]
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