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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TANSTAAFL" data-source="post: 4202322" data-attributes="member: 27098"><p>I do think even bought new on Doxa's website their pretty reasonable for what you get. Specs as good as submariner or 300m, easily read dial, excellent machining, many dial options, great lume, excellent machined bracelets, screws, not pins (very comfortable and adjustable). Only part that falls short is the clasp. Perhaps the newer clasps are better, but it is ahead of Seiko. Only other weak spot is not COSC or Metas certified. In spite of non certication it runs about 2 seconds fast per day.</p></blockquote><p></p>