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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mtngunr" data-source="post: 4349664" data-attributes="member: 46104"><p>They are the best deal on the planet, but the lume is more as lume used to be. My only other complaint at all is changing the batteries, or remembering to change them. I believe the second best deal on the planet is the Lorus Ti field watch, and it has modern lume on hands OR dial, but not both. Same as the Casio, the OEM band is lacking, and it needs battery changes, but past that, a great watch. I like them both past the battery thing. The Citizen will have not great lume, either, but the hands seem well lumed, the 12 o'clock marker seems to have more staying power, but as long as I can see the hands at 4am or whatever, it's fine as a back-up. I'm just tired of changing batteries.</p></blockquote><p></p>