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<blockquote data-quote="tRidiot" data-source="post: 3258434" data-attributes="member: 9374"><p>I understand completely where you are coming from.</p><p></p><p>I also understand the opposite side of the argument, the sheepdog. While I am not going out LOOKING for an opportunity to prove my courage, value, worth or whatever, I also think it would be hard for me to stand by KNOWING someone was stalking others in a store and shooting them, while I had in my possession both the tool and knowledge to <strong>possibly </strong>stop them and save some lives.</p><p></p><p>Of course, that being said, I would be taking my own life in my hands by making any amount of effort at stopping him. Whether this was simple defense as he approached the position of myself, my family and my loved ones (a non-negotiable imperative at taking positive action), or whether making judicious progress in the direction of the shooting once assuring my family is as safe as reasonable in the short term. If I leave them to make an effort against the perpetrator, I could be condemning them to death, as well - if the BGWAG circles around me and gets to them, if I get myself killed or wounded and leave them unprotected, if there is a second shooter waiting to come in from another direction, etc. It's a tough choice.</p><p></p><p>But at the same time, I have to weigh the consequences if I do <strong>nothing</strong>. I know it isn't my "responsibility", in that I am not a law enforcement officer, a guard, a hero, or any of those things. However... if I see a man beating on a woman (or possibly another man) in a public place, it is unlikely I will stand by and do nothing - even though I know any intervention increases my own risk of serious bodily injury or death. I just don't know if I could stand by and watch, or even retreat and call the police, while I watch someone possibly being seriously injured or killed. I just don't know.</p><p></p><p>I pray to God I never end up in that situation. Ever.</p><p></p><p>I am part of the security team at my church. We aren't heavily trained. We're just a group of people who feel it helpful to get to know each other and have some idea of how to coordinate a mass exodus in the unlikely event of something bad happening - and who feel compelled to be more prepared. But could I hide in a closet in the sanctuary with my family behind a closed door, praying not to be noticed, while a gunman walks the aisles calmly and methodically shooting people whom I have attended church with for years?</p><p></p><p>I don't know.</p><p></p><p>Do I want to look my son in the eyes when it is all over and answer him when he asks me why his friends had to die, when I had in my possession the tool and slight training and possible element of surprise that could have possibly prevented some of them?</p><p></p><p>I don't know.</p><p></p><p>I can't make predictions. But there are some things more important than my own life. But are they more important than the life of my wife, or my son?</p><p></p><p>I don't know.</p><p></p><p><img src="/images/smilies/nonono2.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":nono2:" title="Nonono2 :nono2:" data-shortname=":nono2:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tRidiot, post: 3258434, member: 9374"] I understand completely where you are coming from. I also understand the opposite side of the argument, the sheepdog. While I am not going out LOOKING for an opportunity to prove my courage, value, worth or whatever, I also think it would be hard for me to stand by KNOWING someone was stalking others in a store and shooting them, while I had in my possession both the tool and knowledge to [B]possibly [/B]stop them and save some lives. Of course, that being said, I would be taking my own life in my hands by making any amount of effort at stopping him. Whether this was simple defense as he approached the position of myself, my family and my loved ones (a non-negotiable imperative at taking positive action), or whether making judicious progress in the direction of the shooting once assuring my family is as safe as reasonable in the short term. If I leave them to make an effort against the perpetrator, I could be condemning them to death, as well - if the BGWAG circles around me and gets to them, if I get myself killed or wounded and leave them unprotected, if there is a second shooter waiting to come in from another direction, etc. It's a tough choice. But at the same time, I have to weigh the consequences if I do [B]nothing[/B]. I know it isn't my "responsibility", in that I am not a law enforcement officer, a guard, a hero, or any of those things. However... if I see a man beating on a woman (or possibly another man) in a public place, it is unlikely I will stand by and do nothing - even though I know any intervention increases my own risk of serious bodily injury or death. I just don't know if I could stand by and watch, or even retreat and call the police, while I watch someone possibly being seriously injured or killed. I just don't know. I pray to God I never end up in that situation. Ever. I am part of the security team at my church. We aren't heavily trained. We're just a group of people who feel it helpful to get to know each other and have some idea of how to coordinate a mass exodus in the unlikely event of something bad happening - and who feel compelled to be more prepared. But could I hide in a closet in the sanctuary with my family behind a closed door, praying not to be noticed, while a gunman walks the aisles calmly and methodically shooting people whom I have attended church with for years? I don't know. Do I want to look my son in the eyes when it is all over and answer him when he asks me why his friends had to die, when I had in my possession the tool and slight training and possible element of surprise that could have possibly prevented some of them? I don't know. I can't make predictions. But there are some things more important than my own life. But are they more important than the life of my wife, or my son? I don't know. :nono2: [/QUOTE]
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