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<blockquote data-quote="nofearfactor" data-source="post: 761923" data-attributes="member: 1535"><p>Back when I was young and dumb I got a few San Francisco city tickets once in 92' during a traffic stop while driving our bands touring bus after a gig. I wasnt drunk but had been drinking a little at the bar we had just played at. Being a bunch of long haired rock musicians we knew what was coming next. They searched our bus. They ended up finding a big knife I kept in my guitar case(I actually forgot even why it was in there...),I had a little bit of pot in my pocket and I offered it up,it wasnt found,but I thought honesty may be the best policy. I ended up being the only one arrested-and that was only getting a few city tickets-one for speeding,one for public intoxication,one for possession of marijuana, and one for a concealed weapon. I paid the tickets in cash the next morning at the jail after their required 6 hours spent in the drunk tank sobering up.I paid them just like traffic tickets- no court,etc. I did get a notice later that my license had been suspended because in Cali they automatically suspend your license if you have a moving violation with a drinking or drug offense. So I went to defensive driving school and then paid to get my license reinstated. Thats been it for my criminal experience. One night in the county in 40 years.</p><p></p><p>Years later I wanted to get a CC permit because I carried large amounts of cash to the bank from our tattoo shop. I wasnt able to get my California CC permit. Its a 'shall issue' state and you get them from your countys sheriff. I just figured he turns down almost everybody. So I just carried illegal.</p><p></p><p>After we moved to Iowa in 00' I had no problem getting my casino employees background clearance check to be cleared to work at the casinos bar as their entertainment booking manager. And I was grilled pretty heavy by the investigator about the incident in Cali. It didnt preclude me from getting my casino clearance though. And its tough to pass the background check to get on at a casino in management.</p><p></p><p>I went to a gun shop one day in Des Moines to buy a gun and was told that in Iowa to even buy a gun you have to go to the sheriffs office and get a permit. So I went there,filled out a background check app,and waited to get approved. When I went to get my permit to buy,while I was there I thought what the hell may as well try to get a CC permit too. Cant hurt trying. So while there I went ahead and filled out the app for CC. And I was able to get my Iowa permit from my counties sheriff there after a training class. (The training class for it was a joke). On the sheriffs application I gave the same reason as on my California application- because I carry alot of cash to the bank from our tattoo shop I owned with my wife. I also listed all of my misdemeanor 'offenses'. Which only includes the ones I got in San Fran that night. None of which I went to court for. Never been in any other trouble besides a bunch of speeding and no seat belt tickets. So does that not constitute a 'conviction'? Or did I just slip thru the cracks in the system there?</p><p></p><p>Since I'm a dual resident of Iowa,Oklahoma and a part time resident of California thats what I have now. Iowa does not share reciprocity with any other states and Oklahoma does so there is no reason for me to even try to get one here since I'm not actually a full time Oklahoma resident. If I had an Oklahoma permit I wouldnt be able to carry while in Iowa living and working anyways. If I do move here permanently,which is unlikely,I dont know about being able to get a permit in Oklahoma,they seem stricter. No idea.</p><p></p><p>I guess I dont know what conviction means. Does that mean convicted in court? Or is merely paying a ticket a conviction? I'm confused. I have purchased many brand new guns in Oklahoma and have never had any problem with passing the NICS checks.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nofearfactor, post: 761923, member: 1535"] Back when I was young and dumb I got a few San Francisco city tickets once in 92' during a traffic stop while driving our bands touring bus after a gig. I wasnt drunk but had been drinking a little at the bar we had just played at. Being a bunch of long haired rock musicians we knew what was coming next. They searched our bus. They ended up finding a big knife I kept in my guitar case(I actually forgot even why it was in there...),I had a little bit of pot in my pocket and I offered it up,it wasnt found,but I thought honesty may be the best policy. I ended up being the only one arrested-and that was only getting a few city tickets-one for speeding,one for public intoxication,one for possession of marijuana, and one for a concealed weapon. I paid the tickets in cash the next morning at the jail after their required 6 hours spent in the drunk tank sobering up.I paid them just like traffic tickets- no court,etc. I did get a notice later that my license had been suspended because in Cali they automatically suspend your license if you have a moving violation with a drinking or drug offense. So I went to defensive driving school and then paid to get my license reinstated. Thats been it for my criminal experience. One night in the county in 40 years. Years later I wanted to get a CC permit because I carried large amounts of cash to the bank from our tattoo shop. I wasnt able to get my California CC permit. Its a 'shall issue' state and you get them from your countys sheriff. I just figured he turns down almost everybody. So I just carried illegal. After we moved to Iowa in 00' I had no problem getting my casino employees background clearance check to be cleared to work at the casinos bar as their entertainment booking manager. And I was grilled pretty heavy by the investigator about the incident in Cali. It didnt preclude me from getting my casino clearance though. And its tough to pass the background check to get on at a casino in management. I went to a gun shop one day in Des Moines to buy a gun and was told that in Iowa to even buy a gun you have to go to the sheriffs office and get a permit. So I went there,filled out a background check app,and waited to get approved. When I went to get my permit to buy,while I was there I thought what the hell may as well try to get a CC permit too. Cant hurt trying. So while there I went ahead and filled out the app for CC. And I was able to get my Iowa permit from my counties sheriff there after a training class. (The training class for it was a joke). On the sheriffs application I gave the same reason as on my California application- because I carry alot of cash to the bank from our tattoo shop I owned with my wife. I also listed all of my misdemeanor 'offenses'. Which only includes the ones I got in San Fran that night. None of which I went to court for. Never been in any other trouble besides a bunch of speeding and no seat belt tickets. So does that not constitute a 'conviction'? Or did I just slip thru the cracks in the system there? Since I'm a dual resident of Iowa,Oklahoma and a part time resident of California thats what I have now. Iowa does not share reciprocity with any other states and Oklahoma does so there is no reason for me to even try to get one here since I'm not actually a full time Oklahoma resident. If I had an Oklahoma permit I wouldnt be able to carry while in Iowa living and working anyways. If I do move here permanently,which is unlikely,I dont know about being able to get a permit in Oklahoma,they seem stricter. No idea. I guess I dont know what conviction means. Does that mean convicted in court? Or is merely paying a ticket a conviction? I'm confused. I have purchased many brand new guns in Oklahoma and have never had any problem with passing the NICS checks. [/QUOTE]
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