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<blockquote data-quote="_CY_" data-source="post: 2663410" data-attributes="member: 7629"><p>apologies the all the side tracking ... was expecting more folks to weight in on all the virtues of the 300 blackout???</p><p></p><p>did some more digging on why 458 socom is sooooo expensive. seems there's only one mfg or source for .458 socom brass with NO base caliber one can usually form new cases from. not counting .425 Wesley Richards, which runs about $4 a piece. from what I can tell .458 socom is all by itself. a completely new round being adopted is nothing short of a miracle. closest would be .50 Beowolf which according to feedback from reloaders is harder to reload then it appears. </p><p></p><p>one bright spot I dug up is the ability to swage your own jacketed bullets using .45 acp or .40 cal brass. custom swage dies are running a pricey $425+ but it seems it's possible for one to make your own swage dies. <a href="http://castboolits.gunloads.com/forumdisplay.php?41-Swaging" target="_blank">http://castboolits.gunloads.com/forumdisplay.php?41-Swaging</a></p><p></p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.hunt101.com_data_500_44_40_bullets.JPG" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p>In the pic Left to right:</p><p>300 gr. JHP for the .44 mag with dual crimp grooves this was made out of a 10mm case </p><p>250 gr. JHP made out of a .40 S&W case with cannelure to load long in my .44 Mag</p><p>210 gr. JSP made out of a9mm case with a cannelure to load long in my 10mm revolver</p><p>190 gr. JHP made form a 9mm case with dual cannelures </p><p></p><p>a bit of history of how .458 socom came to be and how important Tromix's role in 458 socom's development</p><p></p><p>10 years of Tromix Prototypes/Projects and Misc Junk (Pics)</p><p>Started by TonyRumore , Jun 25 2008 04:50 PM </p><p><a href="http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/27283-10-years-of-tromix-prototypesprojects-and-misc-junk-pics/" target="_blank">http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/27283-10-years-of-tromix-prototypesprojects-and-misc-junk-pics/</a></p><p></p><p>First production run of .458 SOCOM brass, straight walled. I had to buy them all to get the .458 SOCOM off the ground.</p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/i98.photobucket.com_albums_l246_TonyRumore_Rifles_Brass.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p> Who developed the .458 SOCOM? Was it Tromix?</p><p><a href="http://www.teppojutsu.com/458FAQ.htm" target="_blank">http://www.teppojutsu.com/458FAQ.htm</a></p><p></p><p>The .458 SOCOM was developed by Marty ter Weeme, founder of Teppo Jutsu LLC in 2000. The impetus was an informal ("beer and barbeque") discussion with a senior member of the US special operations community regarding the apparent lack of effectiveness of the 5.56 x 45 cartridge in recent conflict. In particular, the reports from members of Task Force Ranger in Mogadishu, Somalia that multiple shots were required to neutralize members of the opposing force led to the request to develop a new cartridge that would deliver far more energy from short barrels at relatively short distances. After the design was completed, Tony Rumore of Tromix Corp in Broken Arrow, OK was contacted to build the first prototype. Based on the favorable reviews, commercial production was started and the initial rifles were produced by Tromix. Currently, several firms offer rifles or upper assemblies in this caliber, including AR-15s, AK-47s, single shot and bolt action rifles.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="_CY_, post: 2663410, member: 7629"] apologies the all the side tracking ... was expecting more folks to weight in on all the virtues of the 300 blackout??? did some more digging on why 458 socom is sooooo expensive. seems there's only one mfg or source for .458 socom brass with NO base caliber one can usually form new cases from. not counting .425 Wesley Richards, which runs about $4 a piece. from what I can tell .458 socom is all by itself. a completely new round being adopted is nothing short of a miracle. closest would be .50 Beowolf which according to feedback from reloaders is harder to reload then it appears. one bright spot I dug up is the ability to swage your own jacketed bullets using .45 acp or .40 cal brass. custom swage dies are running a pricey $425+ but it seems it's possible for one to make your own swage dies. [url]http://castboolits.gunloads.com/forumdisplay.php?41-Swaging[/url] [IMG]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.hunt101.com_data_500_44_40_bullets.JPG[/IMG] In the pic Left to right: 300 gr. JHP for the .44 mag with dual crimp grooves this was made out of a 10mm case 250 gr. JHP made out of a .40 S&W case with cannelure to load long in my .44 Mag 210 gr. JSP made out of a9mm case with a cannelure to load long in my 10mm revolver 190 gr. JHP made form a 9mm case with dual cannelures a bit of history of how .458 socom came to be and how important Tromix's role in 458 socom's development 10 years of Tromix Prototypes/Projects and Misc Junk (Pics) Started by TonyRumore , Jun 25 2008 04:50 PM [url]http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/27283-10-years-of-tromix-prototypesprojects-and-misc-junk-pics/[/url] First production run of .458 SOCOM brass, straight walled. I had to buy them all to get the .458 SOCOM off the ground. [IMG]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/i98.photobucket.com_albums_l246_TonyRumore_Rifles_Brass.jpg[/IMG] Who developed the .458 SOCOM? Was it Tromix? [url]http://www.teppojutsu.com/458FAQ.htm[/url] The .458 SOCOM was developed by Marty ter Weeme, founder of Teppo Jutsu LLC in 2000. The impetus was an informal ("beer and barbeque") discussion with a senior member of the US special operations community regarding the apparent lack of effectiveness of the 5.56 x 45 cartridge in recent conflict. In particular, the reports from members of Task Force Ranger in Mogadishu, Somalia that multiple shots were required to neutralize members of the opposing force led to the request to develop a new cartridge that would deliver far more energy from short barrels at relatively short distances. After the design was completed, Tony Rumore of Tromix Corp in Broken Arrow, OK was contacted to build the first prototype. Based on the favorable reviews, commercial production was started and the initial rifles were produced by Tromix. Currently, several firms offer rifles or upper assemblies in this caliber, including AR-15s, AK-47s, single shot and bolt action rifles. [/QUOTE]
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