Another Reason Not to live in CA. Gas hits record high.

[DPI]

It's like trying to teach evolution to a creationist...

This explains a lot from your standpoint.

Diesel takes at minimum 25% more crude to produce. That alone, but with increased refining cost due to reducing sulfur, the cost of producing diesel is equivalent or more than gasoline.

Please review the current gasoline vs diesel prices in CA showing price are equivalent. So if it cost more to produce and sells for about the same as gas, your argument is full of holes, because there is more profit in producing gasoline than diesel.

Instead of making up stuff, please show us references to back up your argument!

 

[Shadowrider]

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[Dave70968]

Perhaps Diesel production results in more useful (profitable) by-products than gasoline production?

(I don't know, it's just a theory--can somebody with actual knowledge chime in?)

 

[DPI]

Perhaps Diesel production results in more useful (profitable) by-products than gasoline production?

(I don't know, it's just a theory--can somebody with actual knowledge chime in?)

Once upon a time, diesel was the by product of gasoline and it was cheap. Now they have to do much refining just to get it EPA compliant.

 

[TwoForFlinching]

This explains a lot from your standpoint.

Diesel takes at minimum 25% more crude to produce. That alone, but with increased refining cost due to reducing sulfur, the cost of producing diesel is equivalent or more than gasoline.

Please review the current gasoline vs diesel prices in CA showing price are equivalent. So if it cost more to produce and sells for about the same as gas, your argument is full of holes, because there is more profit in producing gasoline than diesel.

Instead of making up stuff, please show us references to back up your argument!

Depending on the crude, you can yield more diesel out of the same barrel than you can gasoline. While the required "low sulpher" process is still relatively expensive, it's cheaper than it used to be since hydrotreating has evolved. We could go all around the Internet and find proof of anything, but we could skip to the chase. Anytime you'd like an education, I'll invite you to my lab and explain this to you. I'll even treat you to lunch.

From start to finish, turning 42 gallons of west tx int into 44 gallons of finished product. It is quite an amazing marvel.
But that's the best thing about all sciences... It's right whether you believe or not.

 

[Dave70968]

Is that an open invite? I'd love to learn how gas/diesel is refined!

 

[TwoForFlinching]

Is that an open invite? I'd love to learn how gas/diesel is refined!

Absolutely. OSA field trip. We have a huge conference room in the visitors center.

 

[DPI]

Absolutely. OSA field trip. We have a huge conference room in the visitors center.

Field trip to where?

 

[DPI]

Still waiting to hear where the destination of our field trip will be.

Funny how no mention of Diesel production wreaking havoc on gasoline production, even from the liberal media. Currently $5.99 per gallon with a credit card. These prices are for the unbranded stations. Name brand stations are still in the mid-$4.00 range.

Anyway, here's another report about the price.

Soaring gas prices across California have forced some station owners to shut off their pumps while people change their driving habits or, in some cases, avoid driving all together.

A gallon of regular gas was $5.69 Thursday in Calabasas, while a gallon of super costs $5.89 with cash and $5.99 with credit. Such prices are causing pain at the pump for many drivers who might see an 11-cent increase by later this morning, which means some could be paying more than $6 a gallon.

The high price of gas is simply not worth it for some mostly independent gas station owners who'd rather stop selling gas and ride out the prices that cut too deeply into their profit margins.

Low-P station owner Tanya Barkhordar hopes the customers don't blame her for the price hike.

"This is what I love," said Barkhordar, who's open for business after closing for a day because she couldn't get gasoline from a refinery. "We're sorry it's not our fault. We have no choice."

Recent refinery fires in the state and pipeline problems are the culprits behind the high prices that are causing California reserves to hit a 10-year low.

The national average is up to $3.78 per gallon, but prices are topping $4 a gallon in many states. In Washington State, residents are faced with an average price of $4.03. In the Northeast, those living in New York and Connecticut are paying an average of $4.10.

No one is feeling it worse than those in California, where gas is up 45 cents from a year ago.

"This is the worst it's ever been," station-owner Barkhordar said. "These are the highest gas prices we've ever had."

Analysts predict that relief is in sight and prices will bottom out near $3.50 a gallon by Thanksgiving, which is one of the busiest times for traveling.

"It's a really terrible week for gas prices and the worst week we have ever had in October that I can remember," Marie Montgomery of the Automobile Club of Southern California said.

ABC News affiliate KABC-TV and Survey USA conducted a poll that found 47 percent of people were driving less and 17 percent were eating out less so they can afford the expensive gasoline. For the elderly on a fixed income, it's a dire situation.

"We only go out when we have to," Marilyn Sklar told KABC. "We only use the gas when we have to go and do our errands and that's it. It's a terrible situation when you're on a fixed income."

Those looking for the cheapest gas in their respective areas should check with a website called GasBuddy.com.

http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-gas-price-record-20121005,0,3095180.story

This story says they are exporting the summer blend gas from California to Mexico to get rid of it.

 

[TwoForFlinching]

*facepalm... I guess if the media says it, it must be true. After all, they report the official satements given to them as per the oil industry... Surely they would be up to anything

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