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<blockquote data-quote="english kanigit" data-source="post: 2516576" data-attributes="member: 4701"><p>Sorry dude but this is crap. 60 lumens is barely enough to find your car keys </p><p></p><p>I recently did a low-light vehicle CQB class in Texas. While waiting for darkness to set in our class was in a classroom doing presentations and talking about gear and various types of lights. We did this for about 15 minutes with the lights off so that our eyes could acclimate to the darkness. With the class gathered along an facing the front interior wall a P3X Fury (1000 lumens) was shined directly onto that wall in front of us. No one was blinded, debilitated, lit on fire or in need of a white cane during or immediately following this event. </p><p></p><p>The first time I thought I needed a gun in earnest it was in the dark trying to clear the basement of the range I worked at following a break-in. All I had at the time was Surefire's original E2d You could say that this was a formative event discovering that "60 blinding lumens" just wouldn't cut it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>After doing a multi-day shoothouse course last year with a 500 lumen Surefire P2X Fury on my carbine I had a few more 'lightbulb moments'. In addition to four days we also spent three nights doing hits on the house in complete darkness, often with rain, snow and at a few points lots of gun smoke too. This experience taught me I want <strong>all</strong> of the light that I can physically fit onto my gun. While at the class I was talking to Steve Fisher who was there as an assistant instructor and he said something to me that had a whole lot of merit. Steve said that with the increasing technology and the lowering of the cost:lumen ratio the argument could be made that if you do not have a light that can match the reach or effective ballistic envelope of your weapon then you are probably doing it wrong. </p><p></p><p>Structures and pretty much any type of surface contained within them that isn't a mirror will 'EAT' light, for lack of a better description. With this in mind it behooves you to take all that you can get as a starting point. The bigger question is how the lens should apportion the light nd whether it's est to have lots of throw with a narrow beam, lots of spill for better situational awareness (a very big deal in the dark) or some combination. I like the third option and this is why I recommend the P2X Fury to anyone who will listen. Specifically, I recommend the EAG flavor available only from Bravo Company due to it having a single-stage emitter and a clickie tailcap. </p><p></p><p>Surefire is one of the very few flavors of Kool-Aid I actually drink. "Best cost" and "best value" are rarely the same thing. </p><p></p><p>[ATTACH]39105[/ATTACH]</p><p>EAG Shoothouse, April2013</p><p><em>Darkness, rain, gun smoke and LIGHTNING!!</em></p><p></p><p></p><p>YMMV,</p><p></p><p>Ek</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="english kanigit, post: 2516576, member: 4701"] Sorry dude but this is crap. 60 lumens is barely enough to find your car keys I recently did a low-light vehicle CQB class in Texas. While waiting for darkness to set in our class was in a classroom doing presentations and talking about gear and various types of lights. We did this for about 15 minutes with the lights off so that our eyes could acclimate to the darkness. With the class gathered along an facing the front interior wall a P3X Fury (1000 lumens) was shined directly onto that wall in front of us. No one was blinded, debilitated, lit on fire or in need of a white cane during or immediately following this event. The first time I thought I needed a gun in earnest it was in the dark trying to clear the basement of the range I worked at following a break-in. All I had at the time was Surefire's original E2d You could say that this was a formative event discovering that "60 blinding lumens" just wouldn't cut it. After doing a multi-day shoothouse course last year with a 500 lumen Surefire P2X Fury on my carbine I had a few more 'lightbulb moments'. In addition to four days we also spent three nights doing hits on the house in complete darkness, often with rain, snow and at a few points lots of gun smoke too. This experience taught me I want [b]all[/b] of the light that I can physically fit onto my gun. While at the class I was talking to Steve Fisher who was there as an assistant instructor and he said something to me that had a whole lot of merit. Steve said that with the increasing technology and the lowering of the cost:lumen ratio the argument could be made that if you do not have a light that can match the reach or effective ballistic envelope of your weapon then you are probably doing it wrong. Structures and pretty much any type of surface contained within them that isn't a mirror will 'EAT' light, for lack of a better description. With this in mind it behooves you to take all that you can get as a starting point. The bigger question is how the lens should apportion the light nd whether it's est to have lots of throw with a narrow beam, lots of spill for better situational awareness (a very big deal in the dark) or some combination. I like the third option and this is why I recommend the P2X Fury to anyone who will listen. Specifically, I recommend the EAG flavor available only from Bravo Company due to it having a single-stage emitter and a clickie tailcap. Surefire is one of the very few flavors of Kool-Aid I actually drink. "Best cost" and "best value" are rarely the same thing. [ATTACH=CONFIG]39105[/ATTACH] EAG Shoothouse, April2013 [I]Darkness, rain, gun smoke and LIGHTNING!![/I] YMMV, Ek [/QUOTE]
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