are godless kids doomed?...and other fun stuff

[IndVet]

What of tribes in South America and Malaysia (they still exist) that have never been contacted by modern humans. The adults never had a chance to know about Christianity. Are they damned?

 

[OKCHunter]

What of tribes in South America and Malaysia (they still exist) that have never been contacted by modern humans. The adults never had a chance to know about Christianity. Are they damned?

No. Depending on how they lived their life regarding right and wrong in the heart, Purgatory might be their destination.

 

[twoguns?]

Yep, pretty much....what a shame

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

A fetus is not a child.

Your question is based on an entirely false premise.

A fetus is still a human being.

Woody

 

[Raoul Duke]

To me, this thread isn't at all about concern for "doomed" children, but is really just a vehicle for people who think they are superior to people who are different or have different beliefs than themselves to have a mutual admiration society.

 

[Eagle Eye]

To me, this thread isn't at all about concern for "doomed" children, but is really just a vehicle for people who think they are superior to people who are different or have different beliefs than themselves to have a mutual admiration society.

SO you think people think they are superior to others?
Maybe you can spend a little more time thinking about what people say or write rather than thinking about what you think people think.

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

1. Are godless kids doomed? There's a substantial amount of good research on the topic, but this sociologist is making headlines: http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0115-zuckerman-secular-parenting-20150115-story.html.

2. Also, the negative correlation between atheism and violent crime has been replicated all over the world (i.e., as the prevalence of atheism increases, the prevalence of violent crime decreases); so I'm curious if this may be a missing link in the debates regarding the relationship between prevalence of guns and prevalence of violent crime.

In response to #1, I have to ask how many of these "doomed" kids are being raised with Christian values that may not be labeled as such. Whatever works - works. Does it really matter where you learn it?

For #2, I would posit that Islam as a religion fosters more violence that any other religion; in fact I'd say it fosters most of the violence in the world these days. As for my belief, I believe Islam is not truly a religion in any godly fashion since it enslaves half its population(women) and murders anyone else who will not submit. I would put Islam - which is its sharia law more than anything else - is atheistic, ungodly, cultish - probably more akin to a violent gang.

Therefore, taking Islam out of the "religion" category and placing it under atheism, the opposite is true regarding a correlation between religion and violence.

It all boils down to opinion; what a person chooses to believe. In other words, your mileage may vary.

Respectfully,

Woody

 

[Raoul Duke]

Without blind faith the industry of the clergy and the con-artist could not be sustained. That correlation pretty much sums it all up right there.

 

[YukonGlocker]

In response to #1, I have to ask how many of these "doomed" kids are being raised with Christian values that may not be labeled as such. Whatever works - works. Does it really matter where you learn it?...

If it were the case that atheists were raised with christian values, then values would be a constant...meaning there wouldn't be any difference between the groups if this were the causal mechanism. There is a difference between the groups, so if everyone is raised and "values" essentially the same things, we wouldn't see this particular pattern in the data. Therefore, it isn't christian values *in atheists* behind these results.

For #2, I would posit that Islam as a religion fosters more violence that any other religion; in fact I'd say it fosters most of the violence in the world these days. As for my belief, I believe Islam is not truly a religion in any godly fashion since it enslaves half its population(women) and murders anyone else who will not submit. I would put Islam - which is its sharia law more than anything else - is atheistic, ungodly, cultish - probably more akin to a violent gang.

Therefore, taking Islam out of the "religion" category and placing it under atheism, the opposite is true regarding a correlation between religion and violence.

It all boils down to opinion; what a person chooses to believe. In other words, your mileage may vary.

Respectfully,

Woody

The correlations hold up regardless of religious ideology, so it isn't muslims confounding the results. I don't follow your point about placing islam in an atheistic category, but in any case, the same correlational patterns emerge for all religions, with one exception--buddhism. As the prevalence of buddhism increases, the prevalence of violence decreases.

 

[OKCHunter]

If it were the case that atheists were raised with christian values, then values would be a constant...meaning there wouldn't be any difference between the groups if this were the causal mechanism. There is a difference between the groups, so if everyone is raised and "values" essentially the same things, we wouldn't see this particular pattern in the data. Therefore, it isn't christian values *in atheists* behind these results.




The correlations hold up regardless of religious ideology, so it isn't muslims confounding the results. I don't follow your point about placing islam in an atheistic category, but in any case, the same correlational patterns emerge for all religions, with one exception--buddhism. As the prevalence of buddhism increases, the prevalence of violence decreases.

I've got to ask - Where do Atheist get their values?