Sounds like a good reason to visit whether or not you are disqualified from having your 2nd Ammendmant right taken away just because you got into some trouble or made a stupid mistake in your past.
You do realize that if you are slapped with a VPO here in Oklahoma you must also get rid of your guns. Maybe Oklahoma doesn't go and confiscate then but half the law is still there
I realize this.
Common sense says that people who have completed the limits of their sentence for crimes committed still have the right to defend themselves.
If they aren't safe enough to be trusted with a firearm, then don't let them out of prison or walk around in public.
If they aren't safe enough to be trusted with a firearm, then don't let them out of prison or walk around in public.
Yup, Commifornia Sucks. Its actually a really beautiful state if it were not for all the coastal dwellers, it might even be reasonable to live there. The people in the middle of the state are actually composed of a good bit of republicans, but they are way outnumbered by those in LA, SF & SD that force their views on the rest of the state. Sad. Its got great topography, tons of wilderness, and you could theoretically ski, go to the beach and have dinner in wine country all in the same day. but oh the people, the laws, the love for the ILLEGAL people residing there, and acceptance of ILLEGAL drugs. How is it so OK to do ILLEGAL drugs, but they loose sleep over something protected in the constitution.
So they want to ban rifles, because of a Tragedy. and Yes, it was national tragedy, and if I thought that banning rifles would guarantee to keep my daughter safe, i would be in favor of it. However, I am not willing to throw the constitution to the wind on a hope and political dream of somebody that has no concrete data that suggests their actions will even help, let alone guarantee to make a difference.
Lets look at the numbers, based on CDC data from 2009 as 2010-2012 numbers are not finished being calculated yet, that's the gov'ment hard at work for you.
In 2009, there were 13,636 homicides, a continued downward trend from 14965 in 2005 as gun ownership increased. Of the 13,636 homicides, 348 involved a rifle, 1825 involved a knife, 611 a hammer or club, and 801 bare fists/feet. Why are we chasing rifles? If we want to save lives, is that where we should put our efforts. I agree its easier than dealing with National debt, or 45% of Americans being on assistance, or rising unemployment, but that's what we pay them to deal with. Maybe because its sensationalism, and while tragic, EXTREMELY tragic, we are not practicing evidence based legislation to decrease the leading causes. If we were, we would outlaw kitchen knives, hammers and making a fist before rifles. Obviously that is ridiculous. However we are focusing all this political effort on rifles, and ignoring an insurmountable national debt, and not dealing with the root cause which is an entitled and socially estranged generation, that has a degrading ethical and moral fiber amongst them and can be likely attributed to a lack of parenting amongst the older generations within our nation.
In the case of mass shootings, from 1982 to 2012, 49 offenders obtained weapons illegally, 11 Legally, and one unknown. Again, chasing the minority of death vs the majority to further some political agenda.
Lets put the focus on morality, responsibility, civility, ethics, intelligence, productivity, and national pride. Perhaps out electorate could start with their own lives, and the people could elect our politicians based on their expression and commitment to the above values, rather than the likelihood to line their own pockets or on the views or a biased social media.
Crazy people would never think of using a knife or other tool/device to carry out their crazy plan, like something to hard to come by as a knife, or perhaps a rental van filled with fertilizer and brake fluid, no, we would never see that. Lets us rather focus all this energy and money on banning "assault rifles" which one of our senators "that she had personally looked at pictures of guns in 1993, and again in 2012." I guess pictures are all that is required rather than depth of knowledge of functionality, capability, tactics, etc...besides, its too hard to balance the budget, lets focus on something smaller that we can spend money on rather than work on that debt/deficit thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_primary_schools
Yeah, I know its Wiki, but the sources are cited and verifiable.
May 8 2006 - Shiguan kindergarten attack. Armed with two knives and petrol 19-year-old Bai Ningyang entered a classroom on the second floor of a kindergarten in Shiguan, a village near Gongyi. He forced the 21 children and the teacher to the back of the room, sprayed the floor with gasoline, and, before setting it on fire, let one child go, because he knew their parents. Bai then locked the door and escaped. 12 of the children died and four others and the teacher were wounded. Bai was arrested the next day and sentenced to death in December 2007
June 11, 1964 Cologne school massacre. Armed with an insecticide sprayer converted into a flamethrower, a lance, and a homemade mace, 42-year-old Walter Seifert entered the Katholische Volksschule in Cologne, Germany, and opened fire on female students playing in the courtyard. He then knocked in classroom windows with his mace and fired inside. Eight children and two teachers died, and twenty children and two teachers suffered injuries of severe burns. After swallowing poisonous insecticide E605, Seifert died the following day, while in custody.
July 26, 1764 Enoch Brown school massacre. On July 26, 1764, four Lenape American Indian warriors entered a log schoolhouse of white settlers in what is now Franklin County, Pennsylvania, near present-day Greencastle. Inside were the schoolmaster, Enoch Brown, and twelve young students. Brown pleaded with the warriors to spare the children before being shot and scalped. The warriors then began to tomahawk and scalp the children, killing nine or ten of them (reports vary). Two children who had been scalped survived.[1]
May 18, 1927 Michigan - Bath School disaster. 45 Killed, 58 Injured. School board member Andrew Kehoe set up a series of explosions in the Bath elementary school. That morning he killed his wife and detonated a bomb inside the school. As people amassed outside, Kehoe detonated his shrapnel-filled vehicle outside the school, in which he took his own life. The bombings constituted the deadliest act of mass murder in any type of school setting in U.S. history.
May 21 2010 An assailant killed seven children and two adults and wounded 11 other children at the Shengshui Temple Kindergarten in Hanzhong when he attacked them with a cleaver. The assailant, identified as 48-year-old Wu Huanming, fled from the school and committed suicide when he returned to his house.[107]
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June 8 2001 Osaka school massacre. Armed with a kitchen knife, a 37-year-old former janitor Mamoru Takuma trespassed into Ikeda Elementary School attached to Osaka-Kyoiku University and stabbed school children and teachers. 8 children were killed and 15 wounded, among those were 13 children and two teachers.
March 23 2010 Nanping school stabbings. Eight children were hacked to death with a machete and five others were injured outside an elementary school in Nanping. The assailant, identified as 41-year-old Zheng Minsheng, was restrained by school security guards and then arrested by police.[99] [100]
Sept 15 1959 Poe Elementary School attack. The morning that Paul Orgeron's second-grade son is denied enrollment, he detonates an explosive on the school playground during recess, killing himself; his son, Dusty; a teacher; a custodian and two seven-year-old boys. The school principal and 18 students aged six to ten are injured, many seriously.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/world/asia/man-stabs-22-children-in-china.html?_r=0
Man Stabs 22 Children in China
BEIJING (AP) A man wielding a knife wounded 22 children and one adult outside a primary school in central China as students were arriving for classes on Friday, the police said.
The attack, in the village of Chengping in Henan Province, happened shortly before 8 a.m., said a police officer from Guangshan County, where the village is located.
The attacker, Min Yingjun, 36, was subdued by security guards and taken into custody by the police, said the officer, who declined to give her name, which is customary among Chinese civil servants. Guards have been posted at schools across China after a spate of attacks in recent years.
A Guangshan County hospital administrator said there were no deaths among the nine students admitted to the hospital, although two badly wounded children were transferred to better-equipped hospitals outside the county.
A doctor at Guangshans hospital of traditional Chinese medicine said that seven students had been admitted there, but that none were seriously injured.
It was not clear how old the wounded children were, but Chinese primary school students are generally 6 to 11.
A notice on the Guangshan County governments Web site confirmed the number of wounded and said an emergency response team had been set up to investigate the stabbings.
No motive was given for the attack, which resembled a string of similar assaults against Chinese schoolchildren in 2010 that killed nearly 20 and wounded more than 50. The most recent such attack took place in August, when a man broke into a middle school in the southern city of Nanchang and stabbed two students before fleeing.
Most of the attackers have been mentally disturbed men involved in personal disputes or unable to adjust to the rapid pace of social change in China, underscoring grave weaknesses in the antiquated Chinese medical systems ability to diagnose and treat psychiatric illness.
In one of the worst attacks, a man described as an unemployed, middle-aged doctor killed eight children with a knife in March 2010 to vent his anger over a thwarted romantic relationship.
I hope these facts help some of you talk some sense into a would be gun grabber or Feinstein supporter.
So they want to ban rifles, because of a Tragedy. and Yes, it was national tragedy, and if I thought that banning rifles would guarantee to keep my daughter safe, i would be in favor of it. However, I am not willing to throw the constitution to the wind on a hope and political dream of somebody that has no concrete data that suggests their actions will even help, let alone guarantee to make a difference.
Lets look at the numbers, based on CDC data from 2009 as 2010-2012 numbers are not finished being calculated yet, that's the gov'ment hard at work for you.
In 2009, there were 13,636 homicides, a continued downward trend from 14965 in 2005 as gun ownership increased. Of the 13,636 homicides, 348 involved a rifle, 1825 involved a knife, 611 a hammer or club, and 801 bare fists/feet. Why are we chasing rifles? If we want to save lives, is that where we should put our efforts. I agree its easier than dealing with National debt, or 45% of Americans being on assistance, or rising unemployment, but that's what we pay them to deal with. Maybe because its sensationalism, and while tragic, EXTREMELY tragic, we are not practicing evidence based legislation to decrease the leading causes. If we were, we would outlaw kitchen knives, hammers and making a fist before rifles. Obviously that is ridiculous. However we are focusing all this political effort on rifles, and ignoring an insurmountable national debt, and not dealing with the root cause which is an entitled and socially estranged generation, that has a degrading ethical and moral fiber amongst them and can be likely attributed to a lack of parenting amongst the older generations within our nation.
In the case of mass shootings, from 1982 to 2012, 49 offenders obtained weapons illegally, 11 Legally, and one unknown. Again, chasing the minority of death vs the majority to further some political agenda.
Lets put the focus on morality, responsibility, civility, ethics, intelligence, productivity, and national pride. Perhaps out electorate could start with their own lives, and the people could elect our politicians based on their expression and commitment to the above values, rather than the likelihood to line their own pockets or on the views or a biased social media.
Crazy people would never think of using a knife or other tool/device to carry out their crazy plan, like something to hard to come by as a knife, or perhaps a rental van filled with fertilizer and brake fluid, no, we would never see that. Lets us rather focus all this energy and money on banning "assault rifles" which one of our senators "that she had personally looked at pictures of guns in 1993, and again in 2012." I guess pictures are all that is required rather than depth of knowledge of functionality, capability, tactics, etc...besides, its too hard to balance the budget, lets focus on something smaller that we can spend money on rather than work on that debt/deficit thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_primary_schools
Yeah, I know its Wiki, but the sources are cited and verifiable.
May 8 2006 - Shiguan kindergarten attack. Armed with two knives and petrol 19-year-old Bai Ningyang entered a classroom on the second floor of a kindergarten in Shiguan, a village near Gongyi. He forced the 21 children and the teacher to the back of the room, sprayed the floor with gasoline, and, before setting it on fire, let one child go, because he knew their parents. Bai then locked the door and escaped. 12 of the children died and four others and the teacher were wounded. Bai was arrested the next day and sentenced to death in December 2007
June 11, 1964 Cologne school massacre. Armed with an insecticide sprayer converted into a flamethrower, a lance, and a homemade mace, 42-year-old Walter Seifert entered the Katholische Volksschule in Cologne, Germany, and opened fire on female students playing in the courtyard. He then knocked in classroom windows with his mace and fired inside. Eight children and two teachers died, and twenty children and two teachers suffered injuries of severe burns. After swallowing poisonous insecticide E605, Seifert died the following day, while in custody.
July 26, 1764 Enoch Brown school massacre. On July 26, 1764, four Lenape American Indian warriors entered a log schoolhouse of white settlers in what is now Franklin County, Pennsylvania, near present-day Greencastle. Inside were the schoolmaster, Enoch Brown, and twelve young students. Brown pleaded with the warriors to spare the children before being shot and scalped. The warriors then began to tomahawk and scalp the children, killing nine or ten of them (reports vary). Two children who had been scalped survived.[1]
May 18, 1927 Michigan - Bath School disaster. 45 Killed, 58 Injured. School board member Andrew Kehoe set up a series of explosions in the Bath elementary school. That morning he killed his wife and detonated a bomb inside the school. As people amassed outside, Kehoe detonated his shrapnel-filled vehicle outside the school, in which he took his own life. The bombings constituted the deadliest act of mass murder in any type of school setting in U.S. history.
May 21 2010 An assailant killed seven children and two adults and wounded 11 other children at the Shengshui Temple Kindergarten in Hanzhong when he attacked them with a cleaver. The assailant, identified as 48-year-old Wu Huanming, fled from the school and committed suicide when he returned to his house.[107]
'
June 8 2001 Osaka school massacre. Armed with a kitchen knife, a 37-year-old former janitor Mamoru Takuma trespassed into Ikeda Elementary School attached to Osaka-Kyoiku University and stabbed school children and teachers. 8 children were killed and 15 wounded, among those were 13 children and two teachers.
March 23 2010 Nanping school stabbings. Eight children were hacked to death with a machete and five others were injured outside an elementary school in Nanping. The assailant, identified as 41-year-old Zheng Minsheng, was restrained by school security guards and then arrested by police.[99] [100]
Sept 15 1959 Poe Elementary School attack. The morning that Paul Orgeron's second-grade son is denied enrollment, he detonates an explosive on the school playground during recess, killing himself; his son, Dusty; a teacher; a custodian and two seven-year-old boys. The school principal and 18 students aged six to ten are injured, many seriously.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/world/asia/man-stabs-22-children-in-china.html?_r=0
Man Stabs 22 Children in China
BEIJING (AP) A man wielding a knife wounded 22 children and one adult outside a primary school in central China as students were arriving for classes on Friday, the police said.
The attack, in the village of Chengping in Henan Province, happened shortly before 8 a.m., said a police officer from Guangshan County, where the village is located.
The attacker, Min Yingjun, 36, was subdued by security guards and taken into custody by the police, said the officer, who declined to give her name, which is customary among Chinese civil servants. Guards have been posted at schools across China after a spate of attacks in recent years.
A Guangshan County hospital administrator said there were no deaths among the nine students admitted to the hospital, although two badly wounded children were transferred to better-equipped hospitals outside the county.
A doctor at Guangshans hospital of traditional Chinese medicine said that seven students had been admitted there, but that none were seriously injured.
It was not clear how old the wounded children were, but Chinese primary school students are generally 6 to 11.
A notice on the Guangshan County governments Web site confirmed the number of wounded and said an emergency response team had been set up to investigate the stabbings.
No motive was given for the attack, which resembled a string of similar assaults against Chinese schoolchildren in 2010 that killed nearly 20 and wounded more than 50. The most recent such attack took place in August, when a man broke into a middle school in the southern city of Nanchang and stabbed two students before fleeing.
Most of the attackers have been mentally disturbed men involved in personal disputes or unable to adjust to the rapid pace of social change in China, underscoring grave weaknesses in the antiquated Chinese medical systems ability to diagnose and treat psychiatric illness.
In one of the worst attacks, a man described as an unemployed, middle-aged doctor killed eight children with a knife in March 2010 to vent his anger over a thwarted romantic relationship.
I hope these facts help some of you talk some sense into a would be gun grabber or Feinstein supporter.
In closing, lets look at Mrs Feinstein and some of her logic, after all, she looked at pictures of the weapons she wishes to ban in order to decide which are a threat to public safety, twice.
According to the nice lady, the right to bear and keep arms that shall not be infringed upon, apparently does not mean that you have an uninfringeable right to bear arms, there should be limitations, according to Senator Feinstein. Perhaps she could go so far as to declare the constitution unconstitutional, or at least the first ten amendments, and even though they were written by the same men that wrote the constitution, they must have obviously misinterpreted the constitution as they did not understand its intent when they said that a right shall not be infringed, and she is obviously much more enlightened to interpret it than they were. I mean really that whole bill of rights thing really is getting in her way.
According to the nice lady, the right to bear and keep arms that shall not be infringed upon, apparently does not mean that you have an uninfringeable right to bear arms, there should be limitations, according to Senator Feinstein. Perhaps she could go so far as to declare the constitution unconstitutional, or at least the first ten amendments, and even though they were written by the same men that wrote the constitution, they must have obviously misinterpreted the constitution as they did not understand its intent when they said that a right shall not be infringed, and she is obviously much more enlightened to interpret it than they were. I mean really that whole bill of rights thing really is getting in her way.
Two of the people I was victimized by went on to commit the same crimes over again, endangering human lives.
I wish we could keep them locked up.
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