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<blockquote data-quote="ez bake" data-source="post: 1901593" data-attributes="member: 229">And where did the first Muslim warmongers learn that? <img src="/images/smilies/new/hey3.gif"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":hey3:" title="Hey3&nbsp; &nbsp; :hey3:" data-shortname=":hey3:" />We can go back into history for as long as we want - &quot;He started it&quot; is never an acceptable answer (either your motives are righteous or they&#039;re not).&nbsp; The Vatican didn&#039;t have a noble cause, it was a power grab for the land/people - they were essentially just as guilty as the Muslim warmongers and you can go to the Mongolians, the Romans, the Persians, etc... before that and do the same thing all the way back to the Jewish people attacking folks who lived in their promised land and essentially kicking them out.My point is that pointing fingers to justify your actions is not the answer (unless you&#039;re a politician, then its always the answer).&nbsp; We need solutions and what we&#039;ve been doing for years is obviously not working.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ez bake, post: 1901593, member: 229"] And where did the first Muslim warmongers learn that? :hey3: We can go back into history for as long as we want - "He started it" is never an acceptable answer (either your motives are righteous or they're not). The Vatican didn't have a noble cause, it was a power grab for the land/people - they were essentially just as guilty as the Muslim warmongers and you can go to the Mongolians, the Romans, the Persians, etc... before that and do the same thing all the way back to the Jewish people attacking folks who lived in their promised land and essentially kicking them out. My point is that pointing fingers to justify your actions is not the answer (unless you're a politician, then its always the answer). We need solutions and what we've been doing for years is obviously not working. [/QUOTE]

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