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Message: <blockquote data-quote="loudshirt" data-source="post: 2526598" data-attributes="member: 10585">The apples to potatoes has to do with groups of people not rights.  Race, religion, and sexual orientation are different than carrying a weapon.  So one is apples the other potatoes.  Carrying a weapon not quite the same but more closely related to wearing appropriate clothing.Why should a business owner give up his rights when you walk in?  Both you and the business owner have rights.  If you go into his establishment under your own free will you are agreeing to his set of rules.  Sometimes the rules are posted for you to see, such as no shirt, no shoes, no service.  No pets. You never give up your right to self defense, what you are giving up is a method of self defense.</blockquote>