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Message: <blockquote data-quote="joegrizzy" data-source="post: 3829511" data-attributes="member: 45524">1. this is true, but that's the point of government regulation. a free and open market of used vehicles is hard to trace and dominate, thus they are destroying the used auto market. first with cash for clunkers, now with forcing manufacturers to only produce EV's. this will kill a used auto market because as you said, you and everyone else WILL just buy another one every decade or so; there will be virtually no used EV market. and the only used ICE auto market may be EXTREMELY hard to enter with a RIDICULOUS monetary entry point, IF NOT basically being psuedo illegal/underground because selling ice autos might be illegal by then anyway and/or at least driving one on public roads. ie; used internal combustion autos that work, are easily fixed with still easy to get parts, and can't be remotely shut down will be worth six figures. without a doubt. any car. any truck. if it fits this description, it will have MASSIVE value in the coming decades. 2. double your electric bill. yeah charging your tesla seems like a risky move when your house is struggling to hold 78f without *already* doubling your electric bill. but people WILL pay it. 3. part of the allure of the EV market for manufacturers and governments is that they by design give both incredible power. remote shutdown, remote access, real time telemetry, every system drive by wire, etc etc. yes this is already true of many post OBD II vehicles, BUT not on the level of EV's, particularly teslas. we've all seen "i was behind on my bill and tesla just sent an update to my car that locked out half my range" or stories of "some servers are down somewhere, and i can't unlock my car". this isn't a bug; it's a feature. again; both manufacturers and governments LOVE THIS, so it's happening. saying consumers won't embrace it or like it is missing the point about how GM doesn't even need to sell a product from the tarp funds they are still getting. didn't you know the president has ALWAYS had the power to fire private sector employees, obama was just the first to do it? <_<4. >not green. again, that's not even the point. the point is absolute control in a technocratic, surveilled, sterile society. everyone knows where you are, where you are going, when you get there, and who are you with. always. EV's work towards this future; thus they get a free pass. the rest is just nonsense to appeal to normies and it works.  5. >cost to benefit. eh, you are looking from a consumer standpoint. i haven't driven an EV, but i do know a guy who at least had a 918 for a bit. he's got a lot of absolute race tuned porsche's, and he certainly seemed to think the 918 was worth the price tag. while i agree we'll see in a decade how much a 10 year old tesla goes for, but most people lose on "new" cars anyway because lets be real new car prices are insane. the only way to get sure returns on autos are buy exotic, buy limited, or buy and just MAINTAIN. it's taken a long time for even muscle cars and whatnot to turn profit, and that curve is about to start moving higher no doubt. but most people are buying cars now that won't be a premium in the future, due to noted reason above. 6. >lack of charging station. the best option is a power wall.</blockquote>

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