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Message: <blockquote data-quote="hd_rider13" data-source="post: 772775" data-attributes="member: 8030">Assymetric Warfare Group (Special Missions Unit) is currently going to each each post (they were at Sill from January to May) teaching this course and it is being implemented into the BRM program. So the idea of this being diffeent from 99% of the military is a little off.  Maybe more like 50%, but eventually everyone will have received this training. There are many other things involved other than how to set the M68 like using the second pad on your finger for trigger pull, setting the magazine on the ground when firing from the prone, having your entire body behind the weapon instead of laying to the side, natural point of aim, hand position on the weapon, and many other things.  SOCOM units have used all these methods that are taught in this course since the inception of SOCOM.  They teach these methods at schools like Griffin Group.  The problem has been that the Big Army have taught "sniper" rifle marksmanship because in all the non-war time service years we had prior to OEF, we were only focussed on qualification.  Now, we are seeing that what we have been teaching is not working in real life and real fire fights.  So who best to share their knowledge?  SOCOM.  Why?  Because they never have non-wartime years. They are fighting the "unknown" fight all the time.  I'm no operator, and will never claim to have anything close to their abilities, but I just left one of those units, and after seeing what they are capable of, I trust what they say.  Actually, we're both wrong  I just got off the phone with one of the operators I know.  This is the way he explained it........The red dot on a rifle is basically on a canneleaver (sp?).  No matter if you have the red-dot at 3 or 6 inches, if you move the weapon at the same pivot rate, the site will line up at the same time.  However, the farther out the site is, the faster and farther it is travelling, even though your pivot rate is the same.The reason putting it closer is taught now, is because of more fights being CQB (close quarters battle) type.  If you are only 20 feet from someone you are shooting, not being able to seeing the corner of their right shoulder is of no consequense.  However, if you have the site mounted out farther, then you can get site picture/site alignment at the same time, however the instability factor comes into play.  It is minutly different, and almost imperceptable, but it is stabilized a fraction of a second faster with it mounted closer.  His main point was that your initial movement should be for you to see the dot, then your subliminal mind takes over and the dot is aligned on the target.  So, having the dot closer to your eye meets those requirements better than having it farther out.In regards to shooting long distance (over 150 meters) he says that he does not reccomend shooting a zero magnification site with both eyes open, especially with an of the shelf M4 since they are likely no better than 4 minute weapons.  He said that your concentration level should go up a little on longer distance shots, and therfore having both eyes open is going to put you at a disadvantage.  Of course, all this is succeptable to an individual's ability and situation.  I'm no expert, by any means, I'm only a dumb Alabama boy that looks for the experts and follows their instruciton until I find that there is something else that works better for me.</blockquote>

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