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<blockquote data-quote="SoonerATC" data-source="post: 2789956" data-attributes="member: 9576"><p>What makes you so absolutely sure of that? You say that as if you know something the rest of us don't.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, that's not right. If Joe Blow is glutinous, coveting and lustful he won't get into Heaven. That's one difference between Catholics and most protestant denominations. Catholics don't believe you can't just "accept Jesus" and be saved no matter what else you do. Yes, you have to believe Christ is the Son of God, but you must also work to maintain Sanctifying Grace. If you sin, you must confess and atone through penance. Paul's letter in 2 Timothy 4:7 "I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith." What does he mean "fought the good fight, finished the course, kept the faith"....if all he had to do to get Heaven was accept Christ as his Savior. On that note though, you can't just go around sinning with the intention to confess, then go sin some more. Confession and atonement involves a purposeful resolve to avoid sin in the future. I'm going to bring down the wrath of all the protestants with that statement. </p><p></p><p>On the monk issue -- as I said something like 10 pages ago - Baptism of water (traditional baptism), Baptism of Blood (martyrdom), or Baptism of Desire (you don't know of the Faith, but if you did - you would believe it). If there's a monk in some far off, isolated village who has never been told of Christ, and who has never committed a sin - I would imagine he would enter Heaven upon death through his desire to serve God. I can't speak for certainty on that though - only God can judge men. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Let's deal with the baby issue - Catholics believe in what is called the Limbo of the Infants. A stillborn won't be sent to Hell - but can't enter Heaven as they were not baptized prior to death and still carry the mark of Original Sin. Limbo of the Infants is not a punishment, but it isn't Heaven. The more devout Catholics will actually still baptize stillborn infants, on the off chance there is some life left in them at birth so that they can enter Heaven. </p><p></p><p>I actually agree with your last statement - if Religion A is true, Religion B cannot be. Even among protestant denominations - what makes Methodists and Baptists different? I honestly don't know the answer to that. What makes a Methodist a Methodist and a Baptist a Baptist? Obviously there's some difference...well if Methodists teach A, and Baptists teach B -- how can both be true? Catholics believe the Eucharist <strong>is </strong>the Body and Blood of Christ, but protestants don't. Either it is or it isn't. Catholics believe it is because Christ at the Last Supper said "this <strong>is </strong>my Body"...not "this represents my Body".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SoonerATC, post: 2789956, member: 9576"] What makes you so absolutely sure of that? You say that as if you know something the rest of us don't. No, that's not right. If Joe Blow is glutinous, coveting and lustful he won't get into Heaven. That's one difference between Catholics and most protestant denominations. Catholics don't believe you can't just "accept Jesus" and be saved no matter what else you do. Yes, you have to believe Christ is the Son of God, but you must also work to maintain Sanctifying Grace. If you sin, you must confess and atone through penance. Paul's letter in 2 Timothy 4:7 "I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith." What does he mean "fought the good fight, finished the course, kept the faith"....if all he had to do to get Heaven was accept Christ as his Savior. On that note though, you can't just go around sinning with the intention to confess, then go sin some more. Confession and atonement involves a purposeful resolve to avoid sin in the future. I'm going to bring down the wrath of all the protestants with that statement. On the monk issue -- as I said something like 10 pages ago - Baptism of water (traditional baptism), Baptism of Blood (martyrdom), or Baptism of Desire (you don't know of the Faith, but if you did - you would believe it). If there's a monk in some far off, isolated village who has never been told of Christ, and who has never committed a sin - I would imagine he would enter Heaven upon death through his desire to serve God. I can't speak for certainty on that though - only God can judge men. Let's deal with the baby issue - Catholics believe in what is called the Limbo of the Infants. A stillborn won't be sent to Hell - but can't enter Heaven as they were not baptized prior to death and still carry the mark of Original Sin. Limbo of the Infants is not a punishment, but it isn't Heaven. The more devout Catholics will actually still baptize stillborn infants, on the off chance there is some life left in them at birth so that they can enter Heaven. I actually agree with your last statement - if Religion A is true, Religion B cannot be. Even among protestant denominations - what makes Methodists and Baptists different? I honestly don't know the answer to that. What makes a Methodist a Methodist and a Baptist a Baptist? Obviously there's some difference...well if Methodists teach A, and Baptists teach B -- how can both be true? Catholics believe the Eucharist [B]is [/B]the Body and Blood of Christ, but protestants don't. Either it is or it isn't. Catholics believe it is because Christ at the Last Supper said "this [B]is [/B]my Body"...not "this represents my Body". [/QUOTE]
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