GOP Vs. Trump

[Hobbes]

Yet, as Robert Kagan, a neoconservative intellectual, argues in a powerful column in The Washington Post, Mr Trump is also “the GOP’s Frankenstein monster”. He is, says Mr Kagan, the monstrous result of the party’s “wild obstructionism”, its demonisation of political institutions, its flirtation with bigotry and its “racially tinged derangement syndrome” over President Barack Obama. He continues: “We are supposed to believe that Trump’s legion of ‘angry’ people are angry about wage stagnation. No, they are angry about all the things Republicans have told them to be angry about these past seven-and-a-half years”.
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Why has this happened? The answer is that this is how a wealthy donor class, dedicated to the aims of slashing taxes and shrinking the state, obtained the footsoldiers and voters it required. This, then, is “pluto-populism”: the marriage of plutocracy with rightwing populism. Mr Trump embodies this union. But he has done so by partially dumping the free-market, low tax, shrunken government aims of the party establishment, to which his financially dependent rivals remain wedded. That gives him an apparently insuperable advantage. Mr Trump is no conservative, elite conservatives complain. Precisely. That is also true of the party’s base.


Donald Trump embodies how great republics meet their end

 

[Cowman]

Bloomberg named as a option on a gun forum. Really?

 

[dlbleak]

Yep, if the RNC interferes with the voice of the people, it's time to send them a clear message. I am in no way a Trump fan but I would be more likely to support him.
For what it's worth, I feel the same way if the DNC would interfere with a bernie nomination.

 

[Junior Bonner]

I see a guy out there fighting by himself against the Demos and his own party. Like when MacBeth sees the forest moving.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Bloomberg named as a option on a gun forum. Really?

Be careful what you wish for, that's all I'm saying.

 

[Hobbes]

The Donald's bad day continues
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jerry-delemus-arrested-bundy-ranch

 

[Glocktogo]

Yet, as Robert Kagan, a neoconservative intellectual, argues in a powerful column in The Washington Post, Mr Trump is also “the GOP’s Frankenstein monster”. He is, says Mr Kagan, the monstrous result of the party’s “wild obstructionism”, its demonisation of political institutions, its flirtation with bigotry and its “racially tinged derangement syndrome” over President Barack Obama. He continues: “We are supposed to believe that Trump’s legion of ‘angry’ people are angry about wage stagnation. No, they are angry about all the things Republicans have told them to be angry about these past seven-and-a-half years”.
...
Why has this happened? The answer is that this is how a wealthy donor class, dedicated to the aims of slashing taxes and shrinking the state, obtained the footsoldiers and voters it required. This, then, is “pluto-populism”: the marriage of plutocracy with rightwing populism. Mr Trump embodies this union. But he has done so by partially dumping the free-market, low tax, shrunken government aims of the party establishment, to which his financially dependent rivals remain wedded. That gives him an apparently insuperable advantage. Mr Trump is no conservative, elite conservatives complain. Precisely. That is also true of the party’s base.


Donald Trump embodies how great republics meet their end

That's the biggest bunch of nonsense I've heard so far. This Kagan clown is delusional. The GOP establishment isn't conservative, doesn't want to shrink government, wants to lower it's taxes, but not everyone else's, and it wants to rig the free market in favor of it's major donors! Plutocracy? Who gives a **** if we call it plutocracy or oligarchy? Do we really need to rearrange the deck chairs right now?

No, pretending they're something different than what they are will not do at this point. The frog has been stung enough and it's time to drown these damn scorpions!

 

[Shootin 4 Fun]

The Donald's bad day continues
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jerry-delemus-arrested-bundy-ranch

How could that be bad news. The people that support Trump despise the federal government and support Bundy.

 

[Hobbes]

That's the biggest bunch of nonsense I've heard so far. This Kagan clown is delusional. The GOP establishment isn't conservative, doesn't want to shrink government, wants to lower it's taxes, but not everyone else's, and it wants to rig the free market in favor of it's major donors! Plutocracy? Who gives a **** if we call it plutocracy or oligarchy? Do we really need to rearrange the deck chairs right now?

No, pretending they're something different than what they are will not do at this point. The frog has been stung enough and it's time to drown these damn scorpions!

I think you made his point quite well.

The tea party was quite welcomed when it was useful to the purposes of the plutocracy.
Haven't seen any large public TP demonstrations lately, have you?


What they are really pissed at is a candidate that supports a 35% tariff on imported goods.
Whether that's because it's not a conservative policy or because it would gouge the wealthy donor class in their pocketbook is semantics.

What they are really pissed at is a candidate who talks favorably of .gov run healthcare that covers everyone.
Whether he really believes that is irrelevant.
It's not "conservative" and it's not in the best interests of some corporations that donate lots of campaign money.
I'll leave it up to you which one of those is their motivating impulse.

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

Yeah, not sure what the concern is. Trump is popular BECAUSE of the hatred for the GOP old guard.



You've got your third option. It's Donald Trump. He's the result of a populist uprising in the Republican electorate and he is exactly what the people wanted and he's doing pretty well.

Those of you who don't like it are proving to be a minority on your side of the isle. This is the future of the right until all the baby boomers die (look at the percentage of Trump supporters under 30).

ALL the baby boomers? Some of us have been trying to straighten this out since before all the 30-somethings and younger were born. And, believe me, we appreciate all the help you young'uns have brought to the fight.

Woody