Whoa, hang on, I don't have time to read that entire article right now, but I did run down the list very quickly. How is it that Illinois is not number one, much less not in the top ten?
so, strict gun law states are seeing a decline in violent gun deaths? This story is really hard to believe! Coming from the CDC makes it suspect to begin with.
When you understand that merely making others uncomfortable because you own guns is considered "gun violence", then it all makes sense. 
Suicides and accidents have always been included in these statistics. The information is straight forward.
You can make a libertarian argument that suicide is a person's own business. It's still gun violence.
You can ask yourself if people in states with fewer guns have just as many suicides committed by other means.
Aren't there just as many people in New York taking pills and jumping off bridges as there are people in Oklahoma blowing their brains out? No, for some reason, there aren't.
You can make a libertarian argument that suicide is a person's own business. It's still gun violence.
You can ask yourself if people in states with fewer guns have just as many suicides committed by other means.
Aren't there just as many people in New York taking pills and jumping off bridges as there are people in Oklahoma blowing their brains out? No, for some reason, there aren't.
A couple of things I noticed about the list. Vermont and Arizona are absent from the list. It also appears that poverty and education could also have an effect. Many of the states listed are towards the bottom in education spending and household income.
By that tortured logic, all traffic related deaths, whether intentional, suicide or accidental are "car violence". We need to see which states have the highest levels of car violence, so we can enact common sense car control in those states.
What twisted logic? I didn't suggest that the statistics change your gun rights in any way, just that they include suicides. Take it up with the CDC. Why not at least take a look at the information. It'll help you explain things to the hippie that married your sister.
I didn't say it was your tortured logic, but it is absolutely tortured. Does or does not the CDC classify suicide by pills as "pill violence"? Do they classify suicide by car as "car violence"? No, they do not. The CDC is interjecting itself into 2nd Amendment politics by classifying suicide or accidental death by firearm as "gun violence". There's a reason they were banned by law from conducting "studies" on gun violence. They have an anti-2nd Amendment agenda and that is indisputable.
I didn't say it was your tortured logic, but it is absolutely tortured. Does or does not the CDC classify suicide by pills as "pill violence"? Do they classify suicide by car as "car violence"? No, they do not. The CDC is interjecting itself into 2nd Amendment politics by classifying suicide or accidental death by firearm as "gun violence". There's a reason they were banned by law from conducting "studies" on gun violence. They have an anti-2nd Amendment agenda and that is indisputable.
So why not encourage people to read the unambiguous WSJ article in the OP?
