Homeland Security promotes welfare to new immigrants in government ‘welcome’ material

[ez bake]

They all are. But were there groups at Ellis Island giving advice on government assistance?

Outside of that, we have more people than we have jobs - and more people and fewer jobs all the time. At what point to we stop taking poor, huddled masses?

Actually, there was plenty of government assistance during our countries birth (see below). I don't see how we as Americans like to forget our history so quickly while at the same time preaching that "those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it".


I would love to see some numbers behind "we have more people than we have jobs".

My German and Irish ancestors came to this great country many many years ago. They settled down, took root and worked hard throughout their lives with the freedom they enjoyed. This country was built on the backs of immigrants who were glad for the opportunity to enjoy liberty and prosperity. That has always been the draw to America... and that is what we should get back to. If we sow sloth, we will reap nothing but weeds.

You might be surprised how much government assistance was given out back then (everyone knows about free land for settlers who moved west of civilization, but there's quite a bit more than just that in our history).

http://www.shmoop.com/the-west/

But did you know that during the nineteenth century the federal government played a more active role in subsidizing the West than in any other region of the country?

Did you know that despite all the government assistance, two-thirds of all homesteaders failed within the first five years?Did you know that women received the right to vote first in America's western territories?

Did you know that massive corporations and conglomerates dominated many western territories and states, even in their infancy?

Did you know that within the democratic political insurrections of the West, small farmers and common laborers pleaded for more government support?

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-west.htm

The U.S. government played a vital role in settling the West, including massive land purchases and giveaways, the Homestead Act, the Pony Express, agricultural colleges, rural electrification, telephone wiring, road-building, irrigation, dam-building, farm subsidies, and farm foreclosure loans. Without such help, settling the West would have been nearly impossible.

 

[HMFIC]

ance was given out back then (everyone knows about free land for settlers who moved west of civilization, but there's quite a bit more than just that in our history).

I'm not surprised... but giving away land in the interest of people expanding, settling and working is not akin to advertising for potential deadbeats who just want to live the easy life.

It's indisputable that the poor in America have it better than the poor anywhere else in the world and the majority of the working class worldwide too.

My point is that we want immigrants who want to work hard and contribute... we shouldn't be advertising for potential deadbeats to just come over and sign up on the government dole. We will most certainly get what we ask for.

 

[ez bake]

I'm not surprised... but giving away land in the interest of people expanding, settling and working is not akin to advertising for potential deadbeats who just want to live the easy life.

It's indisputable that the poor in America have it better than the poor anywhere else in the world and the majority of the working class worldwide too.

My point is that we want immigrants who want to work hard and contribute... we shouldn't be advertising for potential deadbeats to just come over and sign up on the government dole. We will most certainly get what we ask for.

So, how do you know these incoming immigrants don't want to work hard? Maybe they actually need just a temporary hand (keep in mind, taxes and infrastructure are a lot more expensive than they were back when we had sod houses outside of the cities).

 

[Devilsbcoach]

So, how do you know these incoming immigrants don't want to work hard? Maybe they actually need just a temporary hand (keep in mind, taxes and infrastructure are a lot more expensive than they were back when we had sod houses outside of the cities).

I have no problem with a "temporary" hand. The problem arises when that "temporary" hand becomes a permanent crutch. Perhaps a moratorium on the amount of time one could stay on the "temporary" hand would alleviate this issue.

 

[HMFIC]

So, how do you know these incoming immigrants don't want to work hard? Maybe they actually need just a temporary hand (keep in mind, taxes and infrastructure are a lot more expensive than they were back when we had sod houses outside of the cities).

Obviously there are tons of immigrants who do want to work hard and have a better life. My point is that if we continue to advertise a great nation, where it's better than your homeland AND you can live off the government in a lifestyle better than where you came from, WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE DO YOU THINK WILL COME?

I am all for immigration. I believe the current system is completely broken and needs wholly replaced. BUT... I think it's fool-hearty to promote laziness. Incentives have certainly been provided to immigrants all through the ages... "come to America and get 40 acres" and the whole biz... hell we even still do that to promote people to settle in Alaska I think? That's a far cry from "come to America and get free healthcare, food stamps, TANF and free housing for doing absolutely NOTHING" though...

 

[JB Books]

Actually, even Hitler (the unsung hero of some here, I suspect) believed that it was the most daring and most intrepid people who immigrated.

 

[HMFIC]

... and Godwin's law takes hold.

 

[JB Books]

... and Godwin's law takes hold.

Don't deflect from the thread. It's a simple historical fact. Not intended to portray any position on this thread as evil. Just a historical fact that the Herr Reichskanzler thought that.

 

[RugersGR8]

Ramirez hits the bullseye and or nails it:

http://www.solidprinciples.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/michael-ramirez-obama-as-statue-of-liberty-amnesty.jpg