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<blockquote data-quote="ez bake" data-source="post: 899791" data-attributes="member: 229"><p>Not at all - I'm just saying that I've yet to see a decent-quality AR that had less accuracy than that. I've never seen a 7Lb scoped rifle that had "superior accuracy" to an AR that didn't cost an arm and a leg due to Titanium action/bolt, special barrel, etc...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, not dogging anybody's rifles or saying that you can't achieve very nice accuracy with a bolt-gun - I believe totally the opposite and understand that all bolt-actions that have the same level of quality in the barrel/bolt/action as a semi-auto will be more accurate due to the lack of a need to use excess gas to cycle the bolt.</p><p></p><p>Love the Tikka T3 Lite - but its no more accurate than an AR-15 of decent manufacturing quality (Noveske, Saber Defense, Hell, I've heard stories that Daniel Defense's $169 barrel will give you 1/2 MOA accuracy).</p><p></p><p>The difference is that even the T3 Lite weighs over 6Lbs (and that's not including the Base, rings, scope, sling, or any other accessories) and it only holds 6rds max (I think - there might be a model/caliber that holds like 7?), and is still more cumbersome to carry around than a carbine.</p><p></p><p>Yes there are a lot of reasons to use a bolt-action over an AR in some instances, but I can think of almost as many reasons to take an AR out instead and Mag cap (and ability to quickly shoot again and quickly reload are some of those reasons).</p><p></p><p>I'd say that until you get into a much heavier rifle (or much more expensive due to exotic materials), the accuracy of any bolt-action weighing only as much as a lightweight M4gery is only going to be marginal at best (especially when hunting anything like a deer at Oklahoma Distances).</p><p></p><p>As for the 150gr ability - well, I'd say that 150gr isn't the only way to go (presuming this is a .30 caliber stab at why a .223 isn't adequate enough for deer) and I appreciate everyone's opinion on the matter, but like SurJimmy stated, this is purely up to individual opinion as long as no one's taking bad shots and only wounding deer (something I've seen done with much larger calibers - I'm convinced that caliber is much less important than shot-placement and patience when hunting), and also - deer aren't the only things to hunt in OK.</p><p></p><p>I'm not for taking lasers, lights, or anything else that's specifically designed for non-hunting purposes (or more specifically, against the ODWC rules) out on the trail with me, but I don't have any qualms about taking a "evil looking" rifle out into the field and not feeling a bit bad because people are sitting around asking "why do you need to use that?".</p><p></p><p>I'm probably being over-sensitive to the "assault weapon" crap that has been spewed out by the biased media for years but I honestly just I find it incredible that on a gun-message board I'd hear things like "why do you need that gun" - that's a very good way to loose all our guns.</p><p></p><p>And I want to point out that I'm not picking on MoBoost - I totally understand the need to provoke some creative thinking every now and then and since he understands that "just because I want to" is an acceptable answer, I completely respect his opinion on the matter.</p><p></p><p>I'm just quick to defend my semi-auto sporting rifles when they're called nasty names <img src="/images/smilies/biggrin.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>(I'm also pumped full of sinus medicine right now and am probably typing in an almost incoherent state - I'm off to bed to try and sleep this allergy crap off)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ez bake, post: 899791, member: 229"] Not at all - I'm just saying that I've yet to see a decent-quality AR that had less accuracy than that. I've never seen a 7Lb scoped rifle that had "superior accuracy" to an AR that didn't cost an arm and a leg due to Titanium action/bolt, special barrel, etc... Again, not dogging anybody's rifles or saying that you can't achieve very nice accuracy with a bolt-gun - I believe totally the opposite and understand that all bolt-actions that have the same level of quality in the barrel/bolt/action as a semi-auto will be more accurate due to the lack of a need to use excess gas to cycle the bolt. Love the Tikka T3 Lite - but its no more accurate than an AR-15 of decent manufacturing quality (Noveske, Saber Defense, Hell, I've heard stories that Daniel Defense's $169 barrel will give you 1/2 MOA accuracy). The difference is that even the T3 Lite weighs over 6Lbs (and that's not including the Base, rings, scope, sling, or any other accessories) and it only holds 6rds max (I think - there might be a model/caliber that holds like 7?), and is still more cumbersome to carry around than a carbine. Yes there are a lot of reasons to use a bolt-action over an AR in some instances, but I can think of almost as many reasons to take an AR out instead and Mag cap (and ability to quickly shoot again and quickly reload are some of those reasons). I'd say that until you get into a much heavier rifle (or much more expensive due to exotic materials), the accuracy of any bolt-action weighing only as much as a lightweight M4gery is only going to be marginal at best (especially when hunting anything like a deer at Oklahoma Distances). As for the 150gr ability - well, I'd say that 150gr isn't the only way to go (presuming this is a .30 caliber stab at why a .223 isn't adequate enough for deer) and I appreciate everyone's opinion on the matter, but like SurJimmy stated, this is purely up to individual opinion as long as no one's taking bad shots and only wounding deer (something I've seen done with much larger calibers - I'm convinced that caliber is much less important than shot-placement and patience when hunting), and also - deer aren't the only things to hunt in OK. I'm not for taking lasers, lights, or anything else that's specifically designed for non-hunting purposes (or more specifically, against the ODWC rules) out on the trail with me, but I don't have any qualms about taking a "evil looking" rifle out into the field and not feeling a bit bad because people are sitting around asking "why do you need to use that?". I'm probably being over-sensitive to the "assault weapon" crap that has been spewed out by the biased media for years but I honestly just I find it incredible that on a gun-message board I'd hear things like "why do you need that gun" - that's a very good way to loose all our guns. And I want to point out that I'm not picking on MoBoost - I totally understand the need to provoke some creative thinking every now and then and since he understands that "just because I want to" is an acceptable answer, I completely respect his opinion on the matter. I'm just quick to defend my semi-auto sporting rifles when they're called nasty names :D (I'm also pumped full of sinus medicine right now and am probably typing in an almost incoherent state - I'm off to bed to try and sleep this allergy crap off) [/QUOTE]
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