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<blockquote data-quote="tweetr" data-source="post: 2145006" data-attributes="member: 5183"><p>Hm. While I understand your direction here, I must object on one salient point of philosophy:</p><p></p><p>The burden of being polite, honest, lawful, and non-confrontational rests more heavily on (1) any public official going about his official business interacting with the public, and (2) anyone trying to enter someone else's home! With respect, the burden to know the law and and to be polite is absolute upon the state officials trying to enter the man's home, considerably more so than on the homeowner himself whose property, not to mention his wife and son, were being unlawfully intruded upon!</p><p></p><p>Look at it the other way. If the homeowner were to lie to the state officials trying to enter his home, even when not under oath, could he not be charged with lying to officials? How then can they with impunity stand on his own front porch and lie to him? (E.g. tell him he must permit them entry and search without a warrant; tell him his firearms must be registered when there is no legal requirement to register them.) Where is the balance there? And don't try to claim ignorance of the law as their excuse either, as it would not be a valid excuse for the homeowner. How much more then must state officials know the law they are putatively trying to enforce on the citizen? How about politeness? Anyone knocking on the door of a private citizen has a duty to be polite, or properly and understandably be refused entry. How much more then the state official? How about honesty and directness? I'll wager the state officials demanded the homeowner's identification. What on earth possessed the state official to refuse providing her own credentials? He should refuse her entry on that ground alone! How on earth does he know she is who she says he is? Just because she has four goons with guns behind her? See my point?</p><p></p><p>I would argue further that the man has the absolute right to film anything he pleases on his own property. Don't want to be filmed and recorded? Don't enter his private property. If you are a state official lawfully there on official business then you should have nothing to hide. Look fearlessly into the camera and state your name and your business for the record. Is that not the Orwellian philosophy we hear increasingly urged on the subject of ubiquitous police cameras? Does not the policeman have cameras recording the manner and demeanor of suspects every time he makes a mere traffic stop? How then can he object when the stop-ee makes a recording of his own? The state official's right certainly is no more absolute than that of the private citizen in his own home!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tweetr, post: 2145006, member: 5183"] Hm. While I understand your direction here, I must object on one salient point of philosophy: The burden of being polite, honest, lawful, and non-confrontational rests more heavily on (1) any public official going about his official business interacting with the public, and (2) anyone trying to enter someone else's home! With respect, the burden to know the law and and to be polite is absolute upon the state officials trying to enter the man's home, considerably more so than on the homeowner himself whose property, not to mention his wife and son, were being unlawfully intruded upon! Look at it the other way. If the homeowner were to lie to the state officials trying to enter his home, even when not under oath, could he not be charged with lying to officials? How then can they with impunity stand on his own front porch and lie to him? (E.g. tell him he must permit them entry and search without a warrant; tell him his firearms must be registered when there is no legal requirement to register them.) Where is the balance there? And don't try to claim ignorance of the law as their excuse either, as it would not be a valid excuse for the homeowner. How much more then must state officials know the law they are putatively trying to enforce on the citizen? How about politeness? Anyone knocking on the door of a private citizen has a duty to be polite, or properly and understandably be refused entry. How much more then the state official? How about honesty and directness? I'll wager the state officials demanded the homeowner's identification. What on earth possessed the state official to refuse providing her own credentials? He should refuse her entry on that ground alone! How on earth does he know she is who she says he is? Just because she has four goons with guns behind her? See my point? I would argue further that the man has the absolute right to film anything he pleases on his own property. Don't want to be filmed and recorded? Don't enter his private property. If you are a state official lawfully there on official business then you should have nothing to hide. Look fearlessly into the camera and state your name and your business for the record. Is that not the Orwellian philosophy we hear increasingly urged on the subject of ubiquitous police cameras? Does not the policeman have cameras recording the manner and demeanor of suspects every time he makes a mere traffic stop? How then can he object when the stop-ee makes a recording of his own? The state official's right certainly is no more absolute than that of the private citizen in his own home! [/QUOTE]
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