Incompetance caused the disaster at Bengazi

[DrivesGuy]

We are now learning that the US was warned 3 days in advance that security had deteriorated and it was not safe for the ambassador to travel. These American's deaths were completely preventable had someone heeded the warnings from Libyan security forces. Link; http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/15/world/meast/libya-diplomats-warning/index.html?hpt=hp_t2. Meanwhile Nero fiddles (sorry about that Nero campaigns) while Rome burns.

 

[Glocktogo]

I'm hearing a lot more backstory that's pretty ugly, but nothing solid enough yet that I want to post it. All indicators are trending downward on this debacle so far though.

 

[OKC03Cobra]

State Dept. Rules of Engagement Kept Marines out of Tripoli, Benghazi in Libya

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/...s-Out-of-Tripoli-as-Well-as-Benghazi-in-Libya

 

[DrivesGuy]

Having served in Vietnam, we are seeing the same crap coming out of the Obama administration that came out of the Johnson Administration. I say let the Marines and Seals go in and clean out that roach nest.

 

[flatwins]

They're (the ~wonderful~ media and the current administration) are still blaming it on the movie.

 

[dennishoddy]

Having served in Vietnam, we are seeing the same crap coming out of the Obama administration that came out of the Johnson Administration. I say let the Marines and Seals go in and clean out that roach nest.

Amen Brother. We had to be unarmed on the firebase, if not on "official duty".
If anybody remembers the Marines that were killed in Beruit in the 80's had no rounds in their guns to defend themselves by the "rules of engagement", here is a little story:

At around 6:20 a.m., a yellow Mercedes-Benz truck drove to Beirut International Airport, where the 1st Battalion 8th Marines under the 2nd Marine Division had set up its local headquarters. The truck was not the water truck they had been expecting, but a hijacked truck carrying the explosives. The truck turned onto an access road leading to the compound and circled a parking lot. The driver then accelerated and crashed through a barbed wire fence around the parking lot, passed between two sentry posts, crashed through a gate and drove into the lobby of the Marine headquarters. The sentries at the gate were operating under rules of engagement which made it very difficult to respond quickly to the truck. Sentries were ordered to keep their weapons at condition four (no magazine inserted and no rounds in the chamber). By the time the two sentries were able to engage, the truck was already inside the building's entry way, armed.
The suicide bomber detonated his explosives, which were equivalent to 5,400 kg (12,000 pounds) of TNT. The force of the explosion collapsed the four-story building into rubble, crushing many inside. According to Eric Hammel in his history of the Marine landing force,


"The force of the explosion initially lifted the entire four-story structure, shearing the bases of the concrete support columns, each measuring fifteen feet in circumference and reinforced by numerous one-and-three-quarter-inch steel rods. The airborne building then fell in upon itself. A massive shock wave and ball of flaming gas was hurled in all directions."[5]

The explosive mechanism was a gas-enhanced device, probably consisting of bottled propane, butane, hexane or acetylene, placed in proximity to a conventional explosive such as primacord,[citation needed] all of which are readily available on the retail market. The bomb was carried on a layer of concrete covered with a slab of marble to direct the blast upward.[6] Despite the lack of sophistication and wide availability of its component parts, a gas-enhanced device can be a lethal weapon. These devices are similar to fuel-air or thermobaric weapons, explaining the large blast and damage.[7]

About two minutes later, a similar attack occurred against the barracks of the French 3rd Company of the 1st Parachute Chasseur Regiment, 6 km away in the Ramlet al Baida area of West Beirut. Another suicide bomber drove his truck down a ramp into the 'Drakkar' building's underground parking garage and detonated his bomb, leveling the eight-story building and killing 58 French soldiers. Many of the soldiers had gathered on their balconies moments earlier to see what was happening at the airport[8] It was the worst military loss for France since the end of the Algerian War in 1962.[9]

 

[Dale00]

Why this continuing turmoil involving Muslim rioters and attackers?

Weakness on the part of the U.S. - a policy of appeasement and disengagement. A President who apologizes for the U.S. and says that the U.S. has been the problem. A President who naively supported the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

Weakness in our response to riots at our embassys. A long history of the U.S. letting rioters take over their facilities. At a minimum the U.S. should withdraw from and cease giving aid to any country which does not protect our diplomats.

The inability of the President and the State Department to learn from their mistakes. Coverups and stonewalling. Doctrinaire adherence to failed policies of appeasement and weakness.

 

[MLRyan]

It's all Bush's fault...

 

[71buickfreak]

Of course Obama is supporting the brotherhood. He was born and raised as a muslim. He claims to be a christian now, but you can't just delete all the sentiment from growing up muslim. I went to a catholic elementary school in 4th and 5th grade, I am not catholic, but some of that stuff sticks with you. Obama was raised from birth being indoctrinated with the Muslim faith. He holds that religion to a higher esteem than most of us.

That said, I still don't think this was perpetrated against the US by our enemies. I would almost go so far as to call this domesticated.

 

[Glocktogo]

Why this continuing turmoil involving Muslim rioters and attackers?

Weakness on the part of the U.S. - a policy of appeasement and disengagement. A President who apologizes for the U.S. and says that the U.S. has been the problem. A President who naively supported the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

Weakness in our response to riots at our embassys. A long history of the U.S. letting rioters take over their facilities. At a minimum the U.S. should withdraw from and cease giving aid to any country which does not protect our diplomats.

The inability of the President and the State Department to learn from their mistakes. Coverups and stonewalling. Doctrinaire adherence to failed policies of appeasement and weakness.

The level of fallout and hatred really doesn't have anything to do with Islam or U.S. policies. It's genetically and societally ingrained into them that this is how you deal with your emotions. It predates Mohammed by thousands of years. They simply haven't placed enough emphasis on learning to control and manage their emotional responses.