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<blockquote data-quote="sh00ter" data-source="post: 3972420" data-attributes="member: 24531"><p>If you don't submit (even when they are in the wrong), they will maim or kill you...and that is apparently the way many republican voters like it when it comes to the police. And the alternative is marxism because only the left pushes back, which is authoritarians complaining about authority LOL. Oh the irony. Good thing for now, most of us here would just comply and be polite...we can enjoy life as longs as we know we are a different caste when we interact with LEO's. I once went to the range with a conservative cop I have been friends with since high-school...this was during the Fallin days when open carry was up for signature. He was completely against it and when I debated him, he told me "I don't give a f*ck about the constitution...". I debated him as to why his life was more valuable than mine and he told me that "back then it was different". His point was that our society is not moral or orderly anymore and therefore we need less freedom to control it. That is EXACTLY what Ben Franklin said would eventually happen if I remember correctly? Anyway, the disconnect is that I believed that good people needed even more freedom to self-defense exactly because of what the commies have done to our society. But my buddy wasn't as politically sophisticated as me and didn't understand this angle. He was an authoritarian but wasn't self aware. He is not a democrat...THAT IS WHY WE LOSE.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sh00ter, post: 3972420, member: 24531"] If you don't submit (even when they are in the wrong), they will maim or kill you...and that is apparently the way many republican voters like it when it comes to the police. And the alternative is marxism because only the left pushes back, which is authoritarians complaining about authority LOL. Oh the irony. Good thing for now, most of us here would just comply and be polite...we can enjoy life as longs as we know we are a different caste when we interact with LEO's. I once went to the range with a conservative cop I have been friends with since high-school...this was during the Fallin days when open carry was up for signature. He was completely against it and when I debated him, he told me "I don't give a f*ck about the constitution...". I debated him as to why his life was more valuable than mine and he told me that "back then it was different". His point was that our society is not moral or orderly anymore and therefore we need less freedom to control it. That is EXACTLY what Ben Franklin said would eventually happen if I remember correctly? Anyway, the disconnect is that I believed that good people needed even more freedom to self-defense exactly because of what the commies have done to our society. But my buddy wasn't as politically sophisticated as me and didn't understand this angle. He was an authoritarian but wasn't self aware. He is not a democrat...THAT IS WHY WE LOSE. [/QUOTE]
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