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Is the .22 Rimfire a viable self defense round?
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<blockquote data-quote="SMS" data-source="post: 2148665" data-attributes="member: 42"><p>They are full of people killed by kitchen knives and hammers too, that doesn't make them viable self-defense weapons that I would choose to carry daily as a primary means of defense. <img src="/images/smilies/tounge.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":tounge:" title="Tounge :tounge:" data-shortname=":tounge:" /></p><p></p><p>Problem here is quantifying a subjective standard...which varies for everyone based on opinion.</p><p></p><p>To me, a viable self defense round is one that I would choose to carry every day. One that is capable of penetrating a reasonable amount of clothing and tissue and causing <em>severe</em> and near instantaneous damage to critical organs and blood loss, providing I do my part under stress and deliver well aimed shots to center of mass on a moving target that is shooting back at me, hopped up on drugs, and/or enraged and trying to curb stomp me.</p><p></p><p>Sure, dumping a mag from my .22/45 into an attacker's face is going to stop him. Now go try to <em>consistently</em> deliver face shots, under stress, at a variety of ranges, on a moving target that is shooting back at you.</p><p></p><p>I haven't seen any ballistic testing of .22LR, fired from a pistol, that shows significant penetration or tissue damage on the scale required to disrupt the CNS and/or cause rapid, massive blood loss in an <em>armed, determined, and aggressive</em> attacker. Executions don't count...because attackers rarely hold still and let you put 5 into the back of their head at close range.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SMS, post: 2148665, member: 42"] They are full of people killed by kitchen knives and hammers too, that doesn't make them viable self-defense weapons that I would choose to carry daily as a primary means of defense. :tounge: Problem here is quantifying a subjective standard...which varies for everyone based on opinion. To me, a viable self defense round is one that I would choose to carry every day. One that is capable of penetrating a reasonable amount of clothing and tissue and causing [I]severe[/I] and near instantaneous damage to critical organs and blood loss, providing I do my part under stress and deliver well aimed shots to center of mass on a moving target that is shooting back at me, hopped up on drugs, and/or enraged and trying to curb stomp me. Sure, dumping a mag from my .22/45 into an attacker's face is going to stop him. Now go try to [I]consistently[/I] deliver face shots, under stress, at a variety of ranges, on a moving target that is shooting back at you. I haven't seen any ballistic testing of .22LR, fired from a pistol, that shows significant penetration or tissue damage on the scale required to disrupt the CNS and/or cause rapid, massive blood loss in an [I]armed, determined, and aggressive[/I] attacker. Executions don't count...because attackers rarely hold still and let you put 5 into the back of their head at close range. [/QUOTE]
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