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Message: <blockquote data-quote="1Mudman" data-source="post: 3935502" data-attributes="member: 51234"><p>I have noticed shooting from a real benchrest, expensive rest, front and rear with 1/2 ounce triggers on a custom 11lb, 6ppc that even a little more or less thumb pressure can open your group up. I have experimented with lots of rifles and with light weight hunting rifles, that it seems best to have a firm shoulder and grip makes the best groups, especially with larger calibers with more recoil.  With the smaller calibers such as 223, 22BR, 22-250, 243 ect. that using just enough contact to shoulder and a light grip with a straight back trigger pull will produce the best groups. I have also noticed that returning the rifle to the same place on the rest makes alot of difference. You can sure ruin a group by not returning the rifle to pretty much the same position on a rest.  The difference of muzzle climb or side deflection will create open groups or a Flyer. Good Luck! and a Happy New Year!</p></blockquote><p></p>