Kentucky court clerk....

[donner]

Donner - I did not post this quote out of the blue. I was responding to a request for examples. You on the other hand did throw out an unsolicited "what if" scenario that was unfounded factually (permits to to allow religious worship).

Regarding your second point, saying that you do not care if someone suffers greatly is a statement of hostility. Perhaps I am overreacting to it. Perhaps not. But to top it off by saying, "...in her case, we call her a Christian." is much harder to explain away.

I know why you posted it and as others have said. And as others have said, it is a weak example of what Glock Pride was alluding to.

How is my 'what if' unfounded factually? All i did was ask where her 'right to religious freedom' would end and used an example. As county clerk, refusing to sign off on any number of documents could potentially limit a business' access. Should she be able to use her religious freedom to keep from signing a business license for a tattoo parlor because she personally following Leviticus 19:28 strictly?

I'm sorry that you don't have an answer for that.

I'll let S4F answer the part about 'we call her a christian' since i don't have an answer for that and wont pretend to, but it's not unheard of for people to hide behind their religion as a justification for 'evil' things. I don't know if this is the case here, but i didn't make the statement that it was.

But saying you don't mind if she suffers because of a path she willingly chose is not the same as being hostile or advocating she suffer. Why is the opposite of caring hostility in this case? Why isn't it simply indifference?

 

[Hobbes]

Oh look

Mike Huckabee is going to visit Ms. Davis in jail to bolster her resolve.

Huckabee has seized on the issue, setting up a petition on his campaign website calling for Davis's release that has already drawn more than 55,000 signatures, and has called Davis's case an example of the "criminalization of Christianity in our country."

No new lawsiuts yet tho

 

[Billybob]

I know everything, Billybob. You know that.

You think that would be reason number 473 why this is is clear as crystal, but the whiny segment of the majority who absolutely love pretending to be the persecuted minority won't be satisfied.

Unbelievable how whiny the self-proclaimed anti-PC, pull yourselves up by the bootstraps crowd can be.

Forgive my lapse

 

[Dale00]

I don't know for sure what is in her heart. It could be entirely selfish and bigoted cloaked in religion. It could be sincere and well-intentioned. I am pretty sure she isn't coming at this from the Westboro Baptist Church perspective.

 

[Billybob]

but it's not unheard of for people to hide behind their religion, Position, profession, gender, family, etc. as a justification for 'evil' things.

History shows it's somewhat common, as well as denial of that which bothers us or makes us question things.

 

[donner]

I don't know for sure what is in her heart. It could be entirely selfish and bigoted cloaked in religion. It could be sincere and well-intentioned. I am pretty sure she isn't coming at this from the Westboro Baptist Church perspective.

and i agree with you. Frankly, i don't care if she is bigoted and selfish or a true believer. Her personal views do not make her actions here right or wrong in my mind.

What i'm trying to say is that her personal views should not control what the position of county clerk does. That the county clerk should act within the law, regardless of how she as a person feels about the law. If she cannot find a way to do that then she needs to find a new job.

 

[cowadle]

and i agree with you. Frankly, i don't care if she is bigoted and selfish or a true believer. Her personal views do not make her actions here right or wrong in my mind.

What i'm trying to say is that her personal views should not control what the position of county clerk does. That the county clerk should act within the law, regardless of how she as a person feels about the law. If she cannot find a way to do that then she needs to find a new job.

she is representing the people who voted her into her postilion. if the voters feel they aren't being properly represented in this then they should impeach her. if the voters that put her there don't like her christian ethics they should impeach her. if the lgbt community in her represented district are powerful enough to to get her impeached they should do so,if they aren't then they should shut up until they have the vote. the judge should uphold the constitution and advise the VOTERS of the proper leagle method to resolve this. she should not be in jail she should be facing a possible impeachment. the LGBT don't want this because they can't win the vote.

 

[Defnestor]

Her intentions are no longer the biggest issue in this situation. Now that she has been jailed for refusing to comply (quite possibly the first elected official to ever face legal action for failure to perform duties), maybe we can start looking into those who infrnge ,unconstitutionally, on our second amendment rights. Can we now put those elected officials in prison?

 

[Glocktogo]

Smoke and mirrors in place of your usually cogent comments. You are not addressing the cited quote but rather misdirecting attention elsewhere.

The statement cited, "I for one have no concern if she suffers greatly, she is intentionally and maliciously tormenting others. Sometimes we call people like that "evil" or "monsters", in her case we call her a Christian.", is extremely close to calling for the imposition of suffering on Christians because they are evil monsters.

So you fight hyperbole with hyperbole?

she is representing the people who voted her into her postilion. if the voters feel they aren't being properly represented in this then they should impeach her. if the voters that put her there don't like her christian ethics they should impeach her. if the lgbt community in her represented district are powerful enough to to get her impeached they should do so,if they aren't then they should shut up until they have the vote. the judge should uphold the constitution and advise the VOTERS of the proper leagle method to resolve this. she should not be in jail she should be facing a possible impeachment. the LGBT don't want this because they can't win the vote.

You're pretending we live in a pure Democracy. We don't.

 

[Eagle Eye]

she is representing the people who voted her into her postilion. if the voters feel they aren't being properly represented in this then they should impeach her. if the voters that put her there don't like her christian ethics they should impeach her. if the lgbt community in her represented district are powerful enough to to get her impeached they should do so,if they aren't then they should shut up until they have the vote. the judge should uphold the constitution and advise the VOTERS of the proper leagle method to resolve this. she should not be in jail she should be facing a possible impeachment. the LGBT don't want this because they can't win the vote.

we've been through this
she was not elected for her religious beliefs? She was elected because people though she would do her job. This was no problem when she was elected cause gay marriage was not legal at the time. Now that it is, she can no longer do her job by CHOICE. Therefore she should resign from her job or do it (as was ordered by the highest court, whose opinion she sought voluntarily). She chose not to do it, which resulted in her being in contempt of court, and resulted with her being put in jail. This decision was made by a judge who thought that fines would not be appropriate punishment

read some of Dave's posts some pages back.. He explains it better than i do.