Thanks, People. I use a manual chair when I go out because I don't have a lift for my power chair yet. So KC lites and 24V batteries are way too heavy for me to use. It's hard enough pushing myself, since I weigh 285. I'm sure glad for the help. You guys and gals are the best! The best thing about a wheelchair is I'm finally short. When I stood I was 6' 6". But it sure is hard sometime folding the long frame into my little chair. I sometimes feel as if I'm in a contortionist society. The hardest thing to do now is shoot a rifle. I have MSA which causes me to shake a bit... so I have to wait until I slide over the zero and hope it goes off as I pass. At least so far I'm still on paper. Next weekend I'm going deer hunting. I hope its easier than using my grandsons Shooting Pumkins game! There were not any video games when I was a kid(you know a kid really is a baby goat). You feel really OLD when a 4 year old beats you at Shooting Pumpkins. Hope you'all had a great Thanksgiving. Just aso you know I'm really thankful for the members of OSA.