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<blockquote data-quote="SMS" data-source="post: 2002853" data-attributes="member: 42"><p>So let's keep playing this out. Think about what you just told me, a perspective member:</p><p></p><p>I'm going to sign up as a member of a group, help purchase land, help get it ready in some fashion to sustain life (which will take even more financial investment) and then, when the balloon goes up we will inhabit the location (if it's not taken already like Lurker suggested) and begin "surviving". Surviving, or whatever we will call it in a no-kidding failure of societal structure will take 24/7 work...actual real, bloody knuckle work that a lot of modern folks don't do any more as a hard skill, especially cops and us military guys. Gardening (real, food producing gardening not backyard hobby stuff), hygeine, tending to livestock, tending to small kids, 24/7 security, cloverleaf patrols, LP/OPs, foraging, improving living and defensive structures, Gathering and cutting firewood, preparing 3 or more meals a day, mending clothes, caring for the sick and wounded etc....</p><p></p><p>And now you just told me that when I show up with my family, you and a bunch of other able bodied men/women won't be there to help because they cannot leave their posts? I'm sure your wife is just as bad-ass as mine, but everyone has their limits. Caring for two kids, especially if they are little, is a full-time job by itself. She isn't going to be as near as productive or helpful doing all those other things I listed as a functioning/complete family unit would be. The burden therefore shifts to me. In addition to caring for my family and doing the extra stuff that will be required, My wife and I will have to carry some of the load created by your absence. Why would I sign up for that when we both paid an equal share? If we were lifelong friends, partners on the job, or former battle buddies, maybe, but to expect that kind of deal between total strangers is iffy.</p><p></p><p>I really think some expectation management is in order. If you already have 5 people, find a smaller even more secluded place to hide your family away and find one or two solid individuals that you absolutely trust to help care for them until you can join back up with them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SMS, post: 2002853, member: 42"] So let's keep playing this out. Think about what you just told me, a perspective member: I'm going to sign up as a member of a group, help purchase land, help get it ready in some fashion to sustain life (which will take even more financial investment) and then, when the balloon goes up we will inhabit the location (if it's not taken already like Lurker suggested) and begin "surviving". Surviving, or whatever we will call it in a no-kidding failure of societal structure will take 24/7 work...actual real, bloody knuckle work that a lot of modern folks don't do any more as a hard skill, especially cops and us military guys. Gardening (real, food producing gardening not backyard hobby stuff), hygeine, tending to livestock, tending to small kids, 24/7 security, cloverleaf patrols, LP/OPs, foraging, improving living and defensive structures, Gathering and cutting firewood, preparing 3 or more meals a day, mending clothes, caring for the sick and wounded etc.... And now you just told me that when I show up with my family, you and a bunch of other able bodied men/women won't be there to help because they cannot leave their posts? I'm sure your wife is just as bad-ass as mine, but everyone has their limits. Caring for two kids, especially if they are little, is a full-time job by itself. She isn't going to be as near as productive or helpful doing all those other things I listed as a functioning/complete family unit would be. The burden therefore shifts to me. In addition to caring for my family and doing the extra stuff that will be required, My wife and I will have to carry some of the load created by your absence. Why would I sign up for that when we both paid an equal share? If we were lifelong friends, partners on the job, or former battle buddies, maybe, but to expect that kind of deal between total strangers is iffy. I really think some expectation management is in order. If you already have 5 people, find a smaller even more secluded place to hide your family away and find one or two solid individuals that you absolutely trust to help care for them until you can join back up with them. [/QUOTE]
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