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<blockquote data-quote="Surveyor1653" data-source="post: 2042236" data-attributes="member: 5197"><p>I don't know that I'd go that far, but you could sure be sued. I think that here you're dealing with an issue of: If you've received training in the proper applications of and use the modality in the proper way, most Good Samaritan laws protect you (I'm not an attorney and am not offering legal advice, BTW). I'm only saying that this sounds a hair over the top to me and I could be wrong.</p><p></p><p>The good thing about this is that the guys I train with know how to needle a chest and so do I. Most of them aren't cert'ed or licensed in any way and I doubt anyone will go to jail. Now I'm not talking about rolling up on a pileup on the freeway and just sticking people 'cause you can but in the context of being "grid down" you could certainly be many <em>days</em> away from a Level 1 trauma center. I'm not telling anyone what to do, either, I just bring it up since the gist of the thread is in that vein.</p><p></p><p>Given the choice in a "grid up" scenario though, burping an occlusive dressing still may not do what a needle decompression will for the patient. If your lung is crushing your heart, you're probably not going to mind that needle in your chest anyway. Even if the hospital's five blocks away, it may still be the better choice. The individual will have to make that decision for himself, in that moment. The ability to observe symptoms and determine if a needle is necesary is critical. I'm here to tell you that I'll needle my kids en route to the hospital if I think that they need it. I know that's not what Jerry was saying, I just wanted to illustrate another "what if". The "my kids" part changes the dynamic of the argument, too. </p><p></p><p>The golden key to the crapper: the training, not the gear. If you took the Combat Lifesaver course in the Army in 1993, good for you, but you still need to refresh those skills. First aid skills are like any other: They're perishable. Train, refresh, repeat. Of course, YMMV.</p><p></p><p>+1 on the headlamp. Definitely add chemlights to the equation, too. Forget the powders and spend your money on the z-guaze impregnated with clotting agent.</p><p></p><p>PM TacMedic on this forum for info on the classes he puts on for good training opportunities.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Surveyor1653, post: 2042236, member: 5197"] I don't know that I'd go that far, but you could sure be sued. I think that here you're dealing with an issue of: If you've received training in the proper applications of and use the modality in the proper way, most Good Samaritan laws protect you (I'm not an attorney and am not offering legal advice, BTW). I'm only saying that this sounds a hair over the top to me and I could be wrong. The good thing about this is that the guys I train with know how to needle a chest and so do I. Most of them aren't cert'ed or licensed in any way and I doubt anyone will go to jail. Now I'm not talking about rolling up on a pileup on the freeway and just sticking people 'cause you can but in the context of being "grid down" you could certainly be many [I]days[/I] away from a Level 1 trauma center. I'm not telling anyone what to do, either, I just bring it up since the gist of the thread is in that vein. Given the choice in a "grid up" scenario though, burping an occlusive dressing still may not do what a needle decompression will for the patient. If your lung is crushing your heart, you're probably not going to mind that needle in your chest anyway. Even if the hospital's five blocks away, it may still be the better choice. The individual will have to make that decision for himself, in that moment. The ability to observe symptoms and determine if a needle is necesary is critical. I'm here to tell you that I'll needle my kids en route to the hospital if I think that they need it. I know that's not what Jerry was saying, I just wanted to illustrate another "what if". The "my kids" part changes the dynamic of the argument, too. The golden key to the crapper: the training, not the gear. If you took the Combat Lifesaver course in the Army in 1993, good for you, but you still need to refresh those skills. First aid skills are like any other: They're perishable. Train, refresh, repeat. Of course, YMMV. +1 on the headlamp. Definitely add chemlights to the equation, too. Forget the powders and spend your money on the z-guaze impregnated with clotting agent. PM TacMedic on this forum for info on the classes he puts on for good training opportunities. [/QUOTE]
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